From adam@morrison-ind.com Tue Jul 10 08:15:05 2001 Received: from kohocton.morrison.iserv.net (mail.morrison.iserv.net [206.114.45.106]) by klug.kalamazoolinux.org (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f6ACF5N18700 for ; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 08:15:05 -0400 Received: from barracuda.morrison.iserv.net (IDENT:root@barracuda [192.168.1.1]) by kohocton.morrison.iserv.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f6ACF0f13160 for ; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 08:15:00 -0400 Received: (from nobody@localhost) by barracuda.morrison.iserv.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) id f6ABFHi02214 for inschool@kalamazoolinux.org; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 07:15:17 -0400 To: inschool@kalamazoolinux.org Message-ID: <994763716.3b4ae3c4ea507@barracuda> Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 07:15:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Adam Tauno Williams References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: IMP/PHP IMAP webmail program 2.2.1 X-Originating-IP: 192.168.1.5 Subject: [Inschool] Re: [KLUG Members] K12Linux: From Windows to Linux (fwd) Sender: inschool-admin@kalamazoolinux.org Errors-To: inschool-admin@kalamazoolinux.org X-BeenThere: inschool@kalamazoolinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: inschool@kalamazoolinux.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: A list for Linux in schools project. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: >Now these Canadians know how to save money and improve their operating >system. What's wrong with those schools south of the border? Oh man, you had to ask. I'm posting my response to the inschool list. Everyone interested in this topic should scurry over there and subscribe. Systems and Network Administrator Morrison Industries 1825 Monroe Ave NW. Grand Rapids, MI. 49505 From awilliam@whitemice.org Wed Jul 11 22:05:16 2001 Received: from estate1.whitemice.org (host193.64-31-7.bignet.net [64.31.7.193]) by klug.kalamazoolinux.org (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f6C25FN32103 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 22:05:16 -0400 Received: (from awilliam@localhost) by estate1.whitemice.org (8.11.2/linuxconf) id f6C25Fo19640; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 22:05:15 -0400 From: Adam Tauno Williams To: inschool@kalamazoolinux.org Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/0.10.99 (Preview Release) Date: 11 Jul 2001 22:05:14 -0400 Message-Id: <994903515.19612.1.camel@estate1.whitemice.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: [Inschool] Re: [KLUG Members] K12Linux: From Windows to Linux Sender: inschool-admin@kalamazoolinux.org Errors-To: inschool-admin@kalamazoolinux.org X-BeenThere: inschool@kalamazoolinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: inschool@kalamazoolinux.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: A list for Linux in schools project. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: >I hate to just keep passing along URLs from my websites, but it >seems this is a hot topic lately... >http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=01/07/10/1246249 This message forwarded to this list for archival purposes. From deal@kzoo.edu Tue Jan 15 09:50:09 2002 Received: from henson.kzoo.edu (henson.kzoo.edu [146.113.32.2]) by klug.kalamazoolinux.org (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g0FEo5J25143 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 09:50:07 -0500 Received: from kzoo.edu (pm508-18.dialip.mich.net [198.108.144.98]) by henson.kzoo.edu (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g0FEruE23477 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 09:53:56 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3C44413C.FE27393D@kzoo.edu> Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 09:48:28 -0500 From: "Ralph M. Deal" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.9-13 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: inschool@kalamazoolinux.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Inschool] Is this listserv alive? Sender: inschool-admin@kalamazoolinux.org Errors-To: inschool-admin@kalamazoolinux.org X-BeenThere: inschool@kalamazoolinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: inschool@kalamazoolinux.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: A list for Linux in schools project. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Although formally "the education director", I suppose, I have worked only as a consultant in my wife's school. If anyone else would like to be more active, please replace me. I asked for the listserve to be established but it clearly is NOT being used. Bruce's latest list of memberships shows, I believe, 8 folks subscribed to this listserv. For you eight, any suggestions on how to revive the discussion of LINUX in schools? Scott, how goes it at your school? Can anyone assist you at this point? Hoping this gets some kind of reply (i.e. the eight actually read the [inschool] messages), Ralph M. Deal deal@kzoo.edu From awilliam@whitemice.org Tue Jan 15 10:09:57 2002 Received: from estate1.whitemice.org (host193.64-31-7.bignet.net [64.31.7.193]) by klug.kalamazoolinux.org (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g0FF9tJ25272 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 10:09:56 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by estate1.whitemice.org (8.11.6/linuxconf) with ESMTP id g0FF9pW22557 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 10:09:51 -0500 Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 10:09:51 -0500 (EST) From: Adam Williams To: Subject: Re: [Inschool] Is this listserv alive? In-Reply-To: <3C44413C.FE27393D@kzoo.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: inschool-admin@kalamazoolinux.org Errors-To: inschool-admin@kalamazoolinux.org X-BeenThere: inschool@kalamazoolinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: inschool@kalamazoolinux.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: A list for Linux in schools project. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: >Although formally "the education director", I suppose, I have worked >only as a consultant in my wife's school. If anyone else would like to >be more active, please replace me. >I asked for the listserve to be established but it clearly is NOT being >used. Bruce's latest list of memberships shows, I believe, 8 folks >subscribed to this listserv. I'm one of the eight, that makes 6 unaccounted for. >For you eight, any suggestions on how to revive the discussion of LINUX >in schools? We need concrete projects, and access. Most school officials I have talked to are pretty cold about the idea. But I'm also up in the bitter north among the barbarian hordes, so maybe you have better luck in the more enlightened south. There was rumors of projects, labs setup in schools using old equipment, but I haven't heard anything in quite some time. >Scott, how goes it at your school? Can anyone assist you at this point?> >Hoping this gets some kind of reply (i.e. the eight actually read the >[inschool] messages), From john@mail.bridleman.org Tue Jan 15 10:33:41 2002 Received: from mail.bridleman.org (216-93-40-248.mdmmi.voyager.net [216.93.40.248]) by klug.kalamazoolinux.org (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g0FFXdJ25422 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 10:33:40 -0500 Received: (from john@localhost) by mail.bridleman.org (8.11.6/8.11.2) id g0FFXXc09601 for inschool@kalamazoolinux.org; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 10:33:33 -0500 Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 10:33:33 -0500 From: John Bridleman To: inschool@kalamazoolinux.org Subject: Re: [Inschool] Is this listserv alive? Message-ID: <20020115103333.C9571@bridleman.org> References: <3C44413C.FE27393D@kzoo.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: ; from awilliam@whitemice.org on Tue, Jan 15, 2002 at 10:09:51AM -0500 X-Editor: Vim http://www.vim.org/ X-Info: http://www.bridleman.org X-Operating-System: Linux/2.4.2-SGI_XFS_1.0 (i686) X-Uptime: 10:26am up 11 days, 20:06, 1 user, load average: 0.16, 0.03, 0.01 Sender: inschool-admin@kalamazoolinux.org Errors-To: inschool-admin@kalamazoolinux.org X-BeenThere: inschool@kalamazoolinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: inschool@kalamazoolinux.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: A list for Linux in schools project. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: * Adam Williams (awilliam@whitemice.org) wrote: > >Although formally "the education director", I suppose, I have worked > >only as a consultant in my wife's school. If anyone else would like to > >be more active, please replace me. > >I asked for the listserve to be established but it clearly is NOT being > >used. Bruce's latest list of memberships shows, I believe, 8 folks > >subscribed to this listserv. > > I'm one of the eight, that makes 6 unaccounted for. Make that five! ;-) > >For you eight, any suggestions on how to revive the discussion of LINUX > >in schools? > > We need concrete projects, and access. Most school officials I have talked > to are pretty cold about the idea. But I'm also up in the bitter north > among the barbarian hordes, so maybe you have better luck in the more > enlightened south. > > There was rumors of projects, labs setup in schools using old equipment, > but I haven't heard anything in quite some time. > I actually had/have an opportunity to put together a lab based on ltsp. I don't, however, have nearly enough time or expertise to do so. I'd revive the project if I could get some assistance. -- John Bridleman / john@bridleman.org From bruce@armintl.com Tue Jan 15 10:38:47 2002 Received: from mail.armintl.com (IDENT:root@mail.armintl.com [63.148.122.201]) by klug.kalamazoolinux.org (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g0FFckJ25464 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 10:38:47 -0500 Received: from lx1.armintl.com (lx1.armintl.com [192.168.3.21] (may be forged)) by mail.armintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA28615 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 10:38:42 -0500 Subject: Re: [Inschool] Is this listserv alive? From: Bruce Smith To: inschool@kalamazoolinux.org In-Reply-To: <20020115103333.C9571@bridleman.org> References: <3C44413C.FE27393D@kzoo.edu> <20020115103333.C9571@bridleman.org> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0 (Preview Release) Date: 15 Jan 2002 10:38:45 -0500 Message-Id: <1011109125.22512.0.camel@lx1.armintl.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: inschool-admin@kalamazoolinux.org Errors-To: inschool-admin@kalamazoolinux.org X-BeenThere: inschool@kalamazoolinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: inschool@kalamazoolinux.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: A list for Linux in schools project. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: > > >Although formally "the education director", I suppose, I have worked > > >only as a consultant in my wife's school. If anyone else would like to > > >be more active, please replace me. > > >I asked for the listserve to be established but it clearly is NOT being > > >used. Bruce's latest list of memberships shows, I believe, 8 folks > > >subscribed to this listserv. > > > > I'm one of the eight, that makes 6 unaccounted for. > > Make that five! ;-) No, _I_ make FIVE unaccounted for. As of today, there are NINE people on the inschool list because our education director neglected to mention he JUST signed up for the Inschool list TODAY and he wasn't in yesterday's count. -------------------------------------------- Bruce Smith bruce@armintl.com System Administrator / Network Administrator Armstrong International, Inc. Three Rivers, Michigan 49093 USA http://www.armstrong-intl.com/ -------------------------------------------- From deal@kzoo.edu Tue Jan 15 11:57:07 2002 Received: from henson.kzoo.edu (henson.kzoo.edu [146.113.32.2]) by klug.kalamazoolinux.org (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g0FGv6J25996 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 11:57:06 -0500 Received: from kzoo.edu (pm508-11.dialip.mich.net [198.108.144.91]) by henson.kzoo.edu (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g0FH12E16343 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 12:01:02 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3C445F05.63E8C0F7@kzoo.edu> Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 11:55:33 -0500 From: "Ralph M. Deal" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.9-13 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: inschool@kalamazoolinux.org Subject: Re: [Inschool] Is this listserv alive? References: <3C44413C.FE27393D@kzoo.edu> <20020115103333.C9571@bridleman.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: inschool-admin@kalamazoolinux.org Errors-To: inschool-admin@kalamazoolinux.org X-BeenThere: inschool@kalamazoolinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: inschool@kalamazoolinux.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: A list for Linux in schools project. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: John Bridleman wrote: > I actually had/have an opportunity to put together a lab based on ltsp. I don't, however, have nearly enough time or expertise to do so. I'd revive the project if I could get some assistance. I believe Tony Gettig said that he was running ltsp. I'd certainly like to learn how and working with you should be fun. When do you have time for this project during the week? Best, Ralph From deal@kzoo.edu Tue Jan 15 11:59:14 2002 Received: from henson.kzoo.edu (henson.kzoo.edu [146.113.32.2]) by klug.kalamazoolinux.org (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g0FGxDJ26020 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 11:59:13 -0500 Received: from kzoo.edu (pm508-11.dialip.mich.net [198.108.144.91]) by henson.kzoo.edu (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g0FH39E16762 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 12:03:09 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3C445F84.43C49C79@kzoo.edu> Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 11:57:40 -0500 From: "Ralph M. Deal" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.9-13 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: inschool@kalamazoolinux.org Subject: Re: [Inschool] Is this listserv alive? References: <3C44413C.FE27393D@kzoo.edu> <20020115103333.C9571@bridleman.org> <1011109125.22512.0.camel@lx1.armintl.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: inschool-admin@kalamazoolinux.org Errors-To: inschool-admin@kalamazoolinux.org X-BeenThere: inschool@kalamazoolinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: inschool@kalamazoolinux.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: A list for Linux in schools project. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Bruce Smith wrote: > No, _I_ make FIVE unaccounted for. > > As of today, there are NINE people on the inschool list because our > education director neglected to mention he JUST signed up for the > Inschool list TODAY and he wasn't in yesterday's count. Quite right. I didn't want to emphasize my negligent behavior and besides I don't count too well. Ralph From deal@kzoo.edu Tue Jan 15 12:02:59 2002 Received: from henson.kzoo.edu (henson.kzoo.edu [146.113.32.2]) by klug.kalamazoolinux.org (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g0FH2wJ26093 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 12:02:58 -0500 Received: from kzoo.edu (pm508-11.dialip.mich.net [198.108.144.91]) by henson.kzoo.edu (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g0FH6sE17679 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 12:06:54 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3C446066.760970E2@kzoo.edu> Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 12:01:26 -0500 From: "Ralph M. Deal" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.9-13 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: inschool@kalamazoolinux.org Subject: Re: [Inschool] Is this listserv alive? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: inschool-admin@kalamazoolinux.org Errors-To: inschool-admin@kalamazoolinux.org X-BeenThere: inschool@kalamazoolinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: inschool@kalamazoolinux.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: A list for Linux in schools project. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Adam Williams wrote: > We need concrete projects, and access. Most school officials I have talked > to are pretty cold about the idea. But I'm also up in the bitter north > among the barbarian hordes, so maybe you have better luck in the more > enlightened south. Where IS that famed ennlightened south? I understand that Mexico officially endorses LINUX for its public schools. Those cold responses have successfully discouraged me for working hard for this project. > There was rumors of projects, labs setup in schools using old equipment, > but I haven't heard anything in quite some time. Is this John Bridleman's project? His may provide the concrete project you suggest. Best, Ralph From awilliam@whitemice.org Tue Jan 15 12:43:01 2002 Received: from estate1.whitemice.org (host193.64-31-7.bignet.net [64.31.7.193]) by klug.kalamazoolinux.org (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g0FHh0J26333 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 12:43:00 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by estate1.whitemice.org (8.11.6/linuxconf) with ESMTP id g0FHgxW23506 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 12:42:59 -0500 Subject: Re: [Inschool] Is this listserv alive? From: Adam Williams To: inschool@kalamazoolinux.org In-Reply-To: <20020115103333.C9571@bridleman.org> References: <3C44413C.FE27393D@kzoo.edu> <20020115103333.C9571@bridleman.org> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.1 Date: 15 Jan 2002 12:42:59 -0500 Message-Id: <1011116579.23478.10.camel@estate1.whitemice.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: inschool-admin@kalamazoolinux.org Errors-To: inschool-admin@kalamazoolinux.org X-BeenThere: inschool@kalamazoolinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: inschool@kalamazoolinux.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: A list for Linux in schools project. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: >>>Although formally "the education director", I suppose, I have worked >>>only as a consultant in my wife's school. If anyone else would like to >>>be more active, please replace me. >>>I asked for the listserve to be established but it clearly is NOT being >>>used. Bruce's latest list of memberships shows, I believe, 8 folks >>>subscribed to this listserv. >>I'm one of the eight, that makes 6 unaccounted for. >Make that five! ;-) >>>For you eight, any suggestions on how to revive the discussion of LINUX >>>in schools? >>We need concrete projects, and access. Most school officials I have talked >>to are pretty cold about the idea. But I'm also up in the bitter north >>among the barbarian hordes, so maybe you have better luck in the more >>enlightened south. >>There was rumors of projects, labs setup in schools using old equipment, >>but I haven't heard anything in quite some time. >I actually had/have an opportunity to put together a lab based on ltsp. >I don't, however, have nearly enough time or expertise to do so. I'd >revive the project if I could get some assistance. If you have the "server" machine why not bring it to a KLUG newbie meeting, most of LTSP doesn't need to be setup on-site. You could call for a special meeting if you want to meet on site to setup the clients, but 98% of the work is on the server. I don't have much free time, but I go to KLUG meetings..... From awilliam@whitemice.org Tue Jan 15 12:54:25 2002 Received: from estate1.whitemice.org (host193.64-31-7.bignet.net [64.31.7.193]) by klug.kalamazoolinux.org (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g0FHsOJ26397 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 12:54:24 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by estate1.whitemice.org (8.11.6/linuxconf) with ESMTP id g0FHsNW23595 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 12:54:23 -0500 Subject: Re: [Inschool] Is this listserv alive? From: Adam Williams To: inschool@kalamazoolinux.org In-Reply-To: <3C446066.760970E2@kzoo.edu> References: <3C446066.760970E2@kzoo.edu> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.1 Date: 15 Jan 2002 12:54:23 -0500 Message-Id: <1011117263.23478.22.camel@estate1.whitemice.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: inschool-admin@kalamazoolinux.org Errors-To: inschool-admin@kalamazoolinux.org X-BeenThere: inschool@kalamazoolinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: inschool@kalamazoolinux.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: A list for Linux in schools project. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: >>We need concrete projects, and access. Most school officials I have talked >>to are pretty cold about the idea. But I'm also up in the bitter north >>among the barbarian hordes, so maybe you have better luck in the more >>enlightened south. >Where IS that famed ennlightened south? I understand that Mexico >officially endorses LINUX for its public schools. Apparently further south than Kzoo?! >Those cold responses have successfully discouraged me for working hard >for this project. Working with the public schools requires a VERY thick skin. I work with the FIRST robotics team at Central High in Grand Rapids. Our first year was a *PAIN*. They took forever to approve anything, facilities were not available although I'd drive by later and see them dark, unoccupied, and silent. We had to find faculty members to attend any official function for which we got no help from the administration. A complete joke. Then (this being Central High where most of the students, are, er.... challenged) most of the team ended up on the honor roll the next year. Lo and behold the glory whores swoop in, including superintendent/night-hag Patricia Newby herself. Get's herself on TV during the FIRST even in GR, etc.... Where is a pointy wooden stake when you need one? And now years later, while we have $$,$$$ of software (autocad, etc...) they have yet to provide us with a single computer/workstation, although they promised them to us in the first year. Not helping these people (who will suck up all the credit like a battalion of hoovers) doesn't break my heart, but it REALLY sucks for any of the students that still have two warm IQ points to rub together. >>There was rumors of projects, labs setup in schools using old equipment, >>but I haven't heard anything in quite some time. >Is this John Bridleman's project? I think so. And there is Gettig's project. From john@mail.bridleman.org Tue Jan 15 13:02:08 2002 Received: from mail.bridleman.org (216-93-40-248.mdmmi.voyager.net [216.93.40.248]) by klug.kalamazoolinux.org (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g0FI27J26460 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 13:02:07 -0500 Received: (from john@localhost) by mail.bridleman.org (8.11.6/8.11.2) id g0FI26H10433 for inschool@kalamazoolinux.org; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 13:02:06 -0500 Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 13:02:06 -0500 From: John Bridleman To: inschool@kalamazoolinux.org Subject: Re: [Inschool] Is this listserv alive? Message-ID: <20020115130206.N9818@bridleman.org> References: <3C44413C.FE27393D@kzoo.edu> <20020115103333.C9571@bridleman.org> <1011116579.23478.10.camel@estate1.whitemice.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: <1011116579.23478.10.camel@estate1.whitemice.org>; from awilliam@whitemice.org on Tue, Jan 15, 2002 at 12:42:59PM -0500 X-Editor: Vim http://www.vim.org/ X-Info: http://www.bridleman.org X-Operating-System: Linux/2.4.2-SGI_XFS_1.0 (i686) X-Uptime: 11:25am up 11 days, 21:05, 1 user, load average: 0.08, 0.02, 0.01 Sender: inschool-admin@kalamazoolinux.org Errors-To: inschool-admin@kalamazoolinux.org X-BeenThere: inschool@kalamazoolinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: inschool@kalamazoolinux.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: A list for Linux in schools project. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: * Adam Williams (awilliam@whitemice.org) wrote: > If you have the "server" machine why not bring it to a KLUG newbie > meeting, most of LTSP doesn't need to be setup on-site. You could call > for a special meeting if you want to meet on site to setup the clients, > but 98% of the work is on the server. I don't have much free time, but > I go to KLUG meetings..... I'd have to round up a server. Without making me go to the LTSP homepage - what's a reasonable machine configuration for an LTSP server? I'd like to be able to run Mozilla and possibly Star Office. -- John Bridleman / john@bridleman.org From awilliam@whitemice.org Tue Jan 15 13:12:14 2002 Received: from estate1.whitemice.org (host193.64-31-7.bignet.net [64.31.7.193]) by klug.kalamazoolinux.org (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g0FICDJ26523 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 13:12:14 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by estate1.whitemice.org (8.11.6/linuxconf) with ESMTP id g0FICCW23928 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 13:12:12 -0500 Subject: Re: [Inschool] Is this listserv alive? From: Adam Williams To: inschool@kalamazoolinux.org In-Reply-To: <20020115130206.N9818@bridleman.org> References: <3C44413C.FE27393D@kzoo.edu> <20020115103333.C9571@bridleman.org> <1011116579.23478.10.camel@estate1.whitemice.org> <20020115130206.N9818@bridleman.org> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.1 Date: 15 Jan 2002 13:12:12 -0500 Message-Id: <1011118332.23179.37.camel@estate1.whitemice.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: inschool-admin@kalamazoolinux.org Errors-To: inschool-admin@kalamazoolinux.org X-BeenThere: inschool@kalamazoolinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: inschool@kalamazoolinux.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: A list for Linux in schools project. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Tue, 2002-01-15 at 13:02, John Bridleman wrote: > * Adam Williams (awilliam@whitemice.org) wrote: > > If you have the "server" machine why not bring it to a KLUG newbie > > meeting, most of LTSP doesn't need to be setup on-site. You could call > > for a special meeting if you want to meet on site to setup the clients, > > but 98% of the work is on the server. I don't have much free time, but > > I go to KLUG meetings..... > >I'd have to round up a server. Without making me go to the LTSP >homepage - what's a reasonable machine configuration for an LTSP >server? I'd like to be able to run Mozilla and possibly Star Office. My box at home is a dual PII-300 with 256Mb of RAM. It supports about five total users, using Ximian GNOME, Nautilus, Galeon, Star Office 6.0, and Evolution all the time + other apps like GNUCash. Fast disk really helps. More RAM would be easy at todays prices, but with everyone running the same apps RAM seems to go quite a long way (only one copy of a shared library is every really loaded). All clients are 16bit 1024x768 The server is also running Squid, PostgreSQL, OpenLDAP, BIND, Kerberos V KDC, NFSd, Samba (although it almost never gets used) and Sendmail. You probably wouldn't have some of those things on an LTSP server in a school. From john@mail.bridleman.org Tue Jan 15 13:49:04 2002 Received: from mail.bridleman.org (216-93-40-248.mdmmi.voyager.net [216.93.40.248]) by klug.kalamazoolinux.org (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g0FIn3J26998 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 13:49:04 -0500 Received: (from john@localhost) by mail.bridleman.org (8.11.6/8.11.2) id g0FIn2f10587 for inschool@kalamazoolinux.org; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 13:49:02 -0500 Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 13:49:02 -0500 From: John Bridleman To: inschool@kalamazoolinux.org Subject: Re: [Inschool] Is this listserv alive? Message-ID: <20020115134902.O9818@bridleman.org> References: <3C44413C.FE27393D@kzoo.edu> <20020115103333.C9571@bridleman.org> <1011116579.23478.10.camel@estate1.whitemice.org> <20020115130206.N9818@bridleman.org> <1011118332.23179.37.camel@estate1.whitemice.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: <1011118332.23179.37.camel@estate1.whitemice.org>; from awilliam@whitemice.org on Tue, Jan 15, 2002 at 01:12:12PM -0500 X-Editor: Vim http://www.vim.org/ X-Info: http://www.bridleman.org X-Operating-System: Linux/2.4.2-SGI_XFS_1.0 (i686) X-Uptime: 11:25am up 11 days, 21:05, 1 user, load average: 0.08, 0.02, 0.01 Sender: inschool-admin@kalamazoolinux.org Errors-To: inschool-admin@kalamazoolinux.org X-BeenThere: inschool@kalamazoolinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: inschool@kalamazoolinux.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: A list for Linux in schools project. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: * Adam Williams (awilliam@whitemice.org) wrote: > >I'd have to round up a server. Without making me go to the LTSP > >homepage - what's a reasonable machine configuration for an LTSP > >server? I'd like to be able to run Mozilla and possibly Star Office. > > My box at home is a dual PII-300 with 256Mb of RAM. It supports about > five total users, using Ximian GNOME, Nautilus, Galeon, Star Office 6.0, > and Evolution all the time + other apps like GNUCash. Fast disk really > helps. Odds are I wouldn't find a dual processor box laying around. I'd more than likely have to build one with the idea that I would keep it if the project didn't pan out. I've got a case and I've been just kinda looking around at motherboards. The workstations that the school has to donate to the project are Pentium 75 with 16MB ram. I know, but that's what I have to start with. I could increase the ram in a couple to "prove" that the project would work. Is that enough machine for a client? I'd skip Star Office and just set it up to surf if I had to. My original idea was to just get it in and then let them decide to "upgrade". > The server is also running Squid, PostgreSQL, OpenLDAP, BIND, Kerberos V > KDC, NFSd, Samba (although it almost never gets used) and Sendmail. You > probably wouldn't have some of those things on an LTSP server in a > school. No, but they do have a Novell Network so it would be nice if it worked in that setting. If not, I might be able to hook it up before the Novell. They have a Free-BSD box handling their web page connected in front of the Novell. -- John Bridleman / john@bridleman.org From selinux@home.com Tue Jan 15 14:47:41 2002 Received: from femail38.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail38.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.254.60.32]) by klug.kalamazoolinux.org (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g0FJleJ28968 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 14:47:40 -0500 Received: from a.genesis.com ([24.181.228.31]) by femail38.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with SMTP id <20020115194740.OHVI3734.femail38.sdc1.sfba.home.com@a.genesis.com> for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 11:47:40 -0800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Bill To: inschool@kalamazoolinux.org Subject: Re: [Inschool] Is this listserv alive? Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 14:46:03 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <3C446066.760970E2@kzoo.edu> <1011117263.23478.22.camel@estate1.whitemice.org> In-Reply-To: <1011117263.23478.22.camel@estate1.whitemice.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02011514460307.23682@a.genesis.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: inschool-admin@kalamazoolinux.org Errors-To: inschool-admin@kalamazoolinux.org X-BeenThere: inschool@kalamazoolinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: inschool@kalamazoolinux.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: A list for Linux in schools project. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Tuesday 15 January 2002 12:54, you wrote: > >>We need concrete projects, and access. Most school officials I > >> have talked to are pretty cold about the idea. But I'm also up > >> in the bitter north among the barbarian hordes, so maybe you > >> have better luck in the more enlightened south. http://richtech.ca/seul/casedex.html MDLUG will have two case studies to contribute as soon as they wind down (probably in the next month) and the fellow most active in them has a chance to write them up. > > > >Where IS that famed ennlightened south? I understand that Mexico > >officially endorses LINUX for its public schools. Mexico more or less abandoned the project when they realized they didn't have enough people qualified to administer the project and they got hit with (you guessed it!) a battalion of neatly dressed Microsoft sales reps. Australias' Northern Territories school district, however, is another story altogether. :-) MDLUG has joined forces with Schoolforge for our educational program. See our site at its temporary home: http://68.41.252.155:8128/index.php I hadn't forgotten about the KLUG inschool initiative but was banished from the regular mailing list (irritated the wrong guy ... he can just stay irritated) and didn't realize that my inschool subscription had survived. Possibly I will get booted from this list, too. But I am pretty sure at least this single message will get through. Consider this an invitation to take a look at Schoolforge and possibly even join forces with it. I think there are at least 35 (international) members now. Bill -- We're sorry for any inconvenience but, due to security concerns, we no longer accept documents in MS-Word *.doc format. Please submit documents in *.txt, *.htm or *.rtf formats. Thank you for your understanding and cooperation. From deal@kzoo.edu Tue Jan 15 15:03:36 2002 Received: from henson.kzoo.edu (henson.kzoo.edu [146.113.32.2]) by klug.kalamazoolinux.org (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g0FK3XJ29073 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 15:03:35 -0500 Received: from kzoo.edu (pm508-16.dialip.mich.net [198.108.144.96]) by henson.kzoo.edu (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g0FK7OE16377 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 15:07:25 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3C448AB2.8CB4313E@kzoo.edu> Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 15:01:54 -0500 From: "Ralph M. Deal" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.9-13 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: inschool@kalamazoolinux.org Subject: Re: [Inschool] Is this listserv alive? References: <3C446066.760970E2@kzoo.edu> <1011117263.23478.22.camel@estate1.whitemice.org> <02011514460307.23682@a.genesis.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: inschool-admin@kalamazoolinux.org Errors-To: inschool-admin@kalamazoolinux.org X-BeenThere: inschool@kalamazoolinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: inschool@kalamazoolinux.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: A list for Linux in schools project. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Bill wrote: > http://richtech.ca/seul/casedex.html > > MDLUG will have two case studies to contribute as soon as they wind > down (probably in the next month) and the fellow most active in them > has a chance to write them up. Looking forward to these MICHIGAN LINUX in school projects. > > >Where IS that famed ennlightened south? I understand that Mexico > > >officially endorses LINUX for its public schools. > > Mexico more or less abandoned the project when they realized they > didn't have enough people qualified to administer the project and > they got hit with (you guessed it!) a battalion of neatly dressed > Microsoft sales reps. Sad. Should have known that. > Australias' Northern Territories school district, however, is another > story altogether. :-) Reference? > MDLUG has joined forces with Schoolforge for our educational program. I sent in KLUG as an interested party to the Schoolforge project some time ago (think I sent something thereon to the broad list). I hope that we can contribute to/benefit from their work but no specific tasks yet. Best, Ralph From rea@docrea.net Tue Jan 15 15:29:08 2002 Received: from firebear.com (firebear.com [216.122.176.169]) by klug.kalamazoolinux.org (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g0FKT7J29237 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 15:29:08 -0500 Received: from localhost (rea@localhost) by firebear.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id g0FKT1D84506 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 20:29:01 GMT (envelope-from rea@docrea.net) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 20:29:01 +0000 (GMT) From: Doc Rea X-Sender: rea@firebear.com To: inschool@kalamazoolinux.org Subject: Re: [Inschool] Is this listserv alive? In-Reply-To: <3C44413C.FE27393D@kzoo.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: inschool-admin@kalamazoolinux.org Errors-To: inschool-admin@kalamazoolinux.org X-BeenThere: inschool@kalamazoolinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: inschool@kalamazoolinux.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: A list for Linux in schools project. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi all: Sad to say I am one of the silent ones on the list :[ It doesn't have to remain that way though. I've been thinking of ways to help get Linux in the schools and help my own students (WMU) get some exposure to Linux. Nothing concrete yet, but it would be great if we could have some students willing to get Linux training in exchange for helping out in K-12 or other schools. I bet I could round up some WMU Kluggies ;} Just a thought. Later... On Tue, 15 Jan 2002, Ralph M. Deal wrote: > Although formally "the education director", I suppose, I have worked > only as a consultant in my wife's school. If anyone else would like to > be more active, please replace me. > > I asked for the listserve to be established but it clearly is NOT being > used. Bruce's latest list of memberships shows, I believe, 8 folks > subscribed to this listserv. > > For you eight, any suggestions on how to revive the discussion of LINUX > in schools? > Scott, how goes it at your school? Can anyone assist you at this point? > > Hoping this gets some kind of reply (i.e. the eight actually read the > [inschool] messages), > > Ralph M. Deal deal@kzoo.edu > _______________________________________________ > Inschool mailing list > Inschool@kalamazoolinux.org > http://www.kalamazoolinux.org/mailman/listinfo/inschool > From rea@docrea.net Tue Jan 15 15:29:52 2002 Received: from firebear.com (firebear.com [216.122.176.169]) by klug.kalamazoolinux.org (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g0FKTpJ29251 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 15:29:52 -0500 Received: from localhost (rea@localhost) by firebear.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id g0FKTp084531 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 20:29:51 GMT (envelope-from rea@docrea.net) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 20:29:51 +0000 (GMT) From: Doc Rea X-Sender: rea@firebear.com To: inschool@kalamazoolinux.org Subject: Re: [Inschool] Is this listserv alive? In-Reply-To: <20020115103333.C9571@bridleman.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: inschool-admin@kalamazoolinux.org Errors-To: inschool-admin@kalamazoolinux.org X-BeenThere: inschool@kalamazoolinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: inschool@kalamazoolinux.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: A list for Linux in schools project. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Add me to that count ;} On Tue, 15 Jan 2002, John Bridleman wrote: > > I'm one of the eight, that makes 6 unaccounted for. > > Make that five! ;-) > From selinux@home.com Tue Jan 15 15:33:02 2002 Received: from femail21.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail21.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.146]) by klug.kalamazoolinux.org (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g0FKX1J29337 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 15:33:02 -0500 Received: from a.genesis.com ([24.181.228.31]) by femail21.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with SMTP id <20020115203258.PXZQ20153.femail21.sdc1.sfba.home.com@a.genesis.com> for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 12:32:58 -0800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Bill To: inschool@kalamazoolinux.org Subject: Re: [Inschool] Is this listserv alive? Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 15:31:21 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <02011514460307.23682@a.genesis.com> <3C448AB2.8CB4313E@kzoo.edu> In-Reply-To: <3C448AB2.8CB4313E@kzoo.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0201151531210A.23682@a.genesis.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: inschool-admin@kalamazoolinux.org Errors-To: inschool-admin@kalamazoolinux.org X-BeenThere: inschool@kalamazoolinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: inschool@kalamazoolinux.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: A list for Linux in schools project. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Tuesday 15 January 2002 15:01, you wrote: > > Australias' Northern Territories school district, however, is > > another story altogether. :-) > > Reference? Can't seem to find the Northern Territories reference at the moment (it isn't deleted but I am probably searching under the wrong term) so I offer up the following link, with several US case-studies, instead. http://richtech.ca/cgi-bin/seul/case/caseview0.pl Bill -- We're sorry for any inconvenience but, due to security concerns, we no longer accept documents in MS-Word *.doc format. Please submit documents in *.txt, *.htm or *.rtf formats. Thank you for your understanding and cooperation. From deal@kzoo.edu Tue Jan 15 23:36:10 2002 Received: from henson.kzoo.edu (henson.kzoo.edu [146.113.32.2]) by klug.kalamazoolinux.org (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g0G4a9J32050 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 23:36:09 -0500 Received: from localhost (deal@localhost) by henson.kzoo.edu (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g0G4e7i10469 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 23:40:07 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 23:40:06 -0500 (EST) From: "Ralph M. Deal" X-X-Sender: deal@henson To: inschool@kalamazoolinux.org Subject: Re: [Inschool] Is this listserv alive? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: inschool-admin@kalamazoolinux.org Errors-To: inschool-admin@kalamazoolinux.org X-BeenThere: inschool@kalamazoolinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: inschool@kalamazoolinux.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: A list for Linux in schools project. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Tue, 15 Jan 2002, Doc Rea wrote: > It doesn't have to remain that way though. I've been thinking of ways to > help get Linux in the schools and help my own students (WMU) get some > exposure to Linux. Nothing concrete yet, but it would be great if we could > have some students willing to get Linux training in exchange for helping > out in K-12 or other schools. I bet I could round up some WMU Kluggies ;} THe problem seems to be in finding someone IN the schools willing to try out LINUX at least. It is of course frequently used as the OS for servers in schools - the problem is administrators who prefer stability (as they see it) to savling $ and teachers who are too busy and don't see any real possibilities for institutional support. Would be a good experience for your students! Ralph From selinux@home.com Wed Jan 16 02:10:24 2002 Received: from femail9.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail9.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.89]) by klug.kalamazoolinux.org (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g0G7AMJ01318 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 02:10:23 -0500 Received: from a.genesis.com ([24.181.228.31]) by femail9.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with SMTP id <20020116071021.GWRY5017.femail9.sdc1.sfba.home.com@a.genesis.com> for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 23:10:21 -0800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Bill To: inschool@kalamazoolinux.org Subject: Re: [Inschool] Is this listserv alive? Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 02:08:42 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <3C446066.760970E2@kzoo.edu> <1011117263.23478.22.camel@estate1.whitemice.org> In-Reply-To: <1011117263.23478.22.camel@estate1.whitemice.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02011602084206.03922@a.genesis.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: inschool-admin@kalamazoolinux.org Errors-To: inschool-admin@kalamazoolinux.org X-BeenThere: inschool@kalamazoolinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: inschool@kalamazoolinux.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: A list for Linux in schools project. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Tuesday 15 January 2002 12:54, you wrote: > >>We need concrete projects, and access. Most school officials I > >> have talked to are pretty cold about the idea. But I'm also up > >> in the bitter north among the barbarian hordes, so maybe you > >> have better luck in the more enlightened south. > > I thought you might be interested in / cheered by the following: http://mlug.missouri.edu/~ijiwax/grawk/OSschools/SchoolCount.html Bill -- We're sorry for any inconvenience but, due to security concerns, we no longer accept documents in MS-Word *.doc format. Please submit documents in *.sxw, *.htm or *.txt formats. Thank you for your understanding and cooperation. From deal@kzoo.edu Thu Jan 17 22:47:41 2002 Received: from henson.kzoo.edu (henson.kzoo.edu [146.113.32.2]) by klug.kalamazoolinux.org (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g0I3leJ18949 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 22:47:40 -0500 Received: from kzoo.edu (pm508-46.dialip.mich.net [198.108.144.126]) by henson.kzoo.edu (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g0I3pcT24558 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 22:51:38 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3C479AB5.E3F293DA@kzoo.edu> Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 22:47:01 -0500 From: "Ralph M. Deal" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.9-13 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: inschool@kalamazoolinux.org Subject: Re: [Inschool] Is this listserv alive? References: <3C446066.760970E2@kzoo.edu> <1011117263.23478.22.camel@estate1.whitemice.org> <02011602084206.03922@a.genesis.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: inschool-admin@kalamazoolinux.org Errors-To: inschool-admin@kalamazoolinux.org X-BeenThere: inschool@kalamazoolinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: inschool@kalamazoolinux.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: A list for Linux in schools project. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Bill wrote: > I thought you might be interested in / cheered by the following: > http://mlug.missouri.edu/~ijiwax/grawk/OSschools/SchoolCount.html VERY enlightening. I particularly liked the website for the corbett elementary school in Tucson, AR. Now that is the way to go! Ralph From britz@whitemice.org Wed Jan 23 23:29:53 2002 Received: from estate1.whitemice.org (host193.64-31-7.bignet.net [64.31.7.193]) by klug.kalamazoolinux.org (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g0O4Tqd14034 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 23:29:53 -0500 Received: from localhost (britz@localhost) by estate1.whitemice.org (8.11.6/linuxconf) with ESMTP id g0O4TqD29256 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 23:29:52 -0500 Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 23:29:51 -0500 (EST) From: Brian Ritz To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [Inschool] Red Hat Unveils Updated Open Source :Now: (fwd) Sender: inschool-admin@kalamazoolinux.org Errors-To: inschool-admin@kalamazoolinux.org X-BeenThere: inschool@kalamazoolinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: inschool@kalamazoolinux.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: A list for Linux in schools project. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Received this today from RedHat. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Apathy is the mid-wife to Ignorance, and Ignorance the harbinger of Tyranny ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 09:17:40 -0800 From: Red Hat Reply-To: Red Hat To: britz@whitemice.org Subject: Red Hat Unveils Updated Open Source :Now: Because you've registered your user group with redhat.com, we wanted to let you know about the newly-updated Open Source :Now: website. The OSN site includes opportunities for LUGs, schools, and open source experts to help spread the word about open source's benefits. You can see the new site here: https://redhat1.rsc03.net/servlet/cc4?koEVUXY*IkpmTQPopmLtpJLEhkn*z*UA Please take a look at all the new info--and be sure to add your LUG to the Army of Friends section if you'd like to get involved: https://redhat1.rsc03.net/servlet/cc4?koEVUXY*IkpmTQPopmLtpJLEhkn*z*VA We hope the Army of Friends section will help schools and individuals realize what LUGs have known all along: Open Source Rules! Thanks for your continued support, Ed Bailey ______________________________________________________________________ This message was sent by Red Hat using Responsys Interact (TM). Unsubscribe from future email: https://redhat1.rsc03.net/servlet/optout?koDUTWXEIkpmSFPopmLtpJLDhknE0 View our permission marketing policy: http://www.rsvp0.net From deal@kzoo.edu Thu Jan 31 17:26:36 2002 Received: from henson.kzoo.edu (henson.kzoo.edu [146.113.32.2]) by klug.kalamazoolinux.org (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g0VMQZd28065 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 17:26:35 -0500 Received: from kzoo.edu (pm508-16.dialip.mich.net [198.108.144.96]) by henson.kzoo.edu (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g0VMUZT00457 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 17:30:36 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3C59C419.EFBAF8EE@kzoo.edu> Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 17:24:25 -0500 From: "Ralph M. Deal" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.9-21 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: LINUX in_education Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Inschool] Best settings for LINUX on students oldies Sender: inschool-admin@kalamazoolinux.org Errors-To: inschool-admin@kalamazoolinux.org X-BeenThere: inschool@kalamazoolinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: inschool@kalamazoolinux.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: A list for Linux in schools project. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi, all, I just took on the task of putting LINUX onto a raft of ancient machines which my school is putting up for student sale. These cannot have of course MS operating systems so LINUX is just the ticket. I'm currently installing BS6.2 onto a Gateway 75MHz 16M RAM, ca 500M hard drive. The process is very slow of course but once I got the hard disk recognized, it is going. If I like the settings, installed modules, partitions, window manager, I'll ghost this hard disk to the other machines. Now the questions are: 1. Should I upgrade to 7.2? 2. Since most of these machines will have no CDROM drive, I'll want some kind of boot diskette in case of problems. What type of disk? a rescue, a boot.img disk? 3. Should I try to put on StarOffice which will be terribly slow OR should I have them use gnumeric and abiword, with instructions on how to save them onto a floppy so they can be read on the school's MSwindows networked machines? 4. Which rpm's would be most useful? They will not have a modem initially and so must work with what I give them or have on a floppy. 5. I plan on running a Saturday workshop for the students/parents who put out the $25 necessary for a working system. Should I try to teach them command line UNIX methods? Looking forward to lots of suggestions, Ralph From bruce@armintl.com Thu Jan 31 19:31:59 2002 Received: from front1.chartermi.net (24.213.60.123.up.mi.chartermi.net [24.213.60.123]) by klug.kalamazoolinux.org (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g110Vwd28796 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 19:31:58 -0500 Received: from [24.247.113.192] (HELO armintl.com) by front1.chartermi.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.5.3) with ESMTP id 54314586 for inschool@kalamazoolinux.org; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 19:31:57 -0500 Message-ID: <3C59E1FB.8000008@armintl.com> Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 19:31:55 -0500 From: Bruce Smith User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011126 Netscape6/6.2.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: inschool@kalamazoolinux.org Subject: Re: [Inschool] Best settings for LINUX on students oldies References: <3C59C419.EFBAF8EE@kzoo.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: inschool-admin@kalamazoolinux.org Errors-To: inschool-admin@kalamazoolinux.org X-BeenThere: inschool@kalamazoolinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: inschool@kalamazoolinux.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: A list for Linux in schools project. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: > I just took on the task of putting LINUX onto a raft of ancient machines > which my school is putting up for student sale. These cannot have of > course MS operating systems so LINUX is just the ticket. I'm currently > installing > BS6.2 onto a Gateway 75MHz 16M RAM, ca 500M hard drive. The process > is very slow of course but once I got the hard disk recognized, it is > going. > If I like the settings, installed modules, partitions, window manager, > I'll ghost this hard disk to the other machines. > > Now the questions are: > 1. Should I upgrade to 7.2? I would NOT recommend it on a 16MB machine, as the newer kernel requires a lot more memory. I would highly recommend that you make sure you download and install all the latest errata for 6.2. > 2. Since most of these machines will have no CDROM drive, I'll want some > kind of boot diskette in case of problems. What type of disk? a > rescue, a boot.img disk? "Tom's Root Boot" is a nice little distro that runs from diskette. > 3. Should I try to put on StarOffice which will be terribly slow > OR should I have them use gnumeric and abiword, with instructions on how > to save them onto a floppy so they can be read on the school's MSwindows > networked machines? I dout you'll have enough memory for Star, and have no idea about the others. I'm not even sure how well windows will run. > 4. Which rpm's would be most useful? They will not have a modem > initially and so must work with what I give them or have on a floppy. I don't know. Install the RPM's for what they need to do. > 5. I plan on running a Saturday workshop for the students/parents who > put out the $25 necessary for a working system. Should I try to teach > them command line UNIX methods? That would be a good machine for command line. That would run much better than X-windows. -------------------------------------------- Bruce Smith bruce@armintl.com System Administrator / Network Administrator Armstrong International, Inc. Three Rivers, Michigan 49093 USA http://www.armstrong-intl.com/ -------------------------------------------- From selinux@home.com Thu Jan 31 21:08:39 2002 Received: from femail19.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail19.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.128]) by klug.kalamazoolinux.org (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g1128dd29286 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 21:08:39 -0500 Received: from a.genesis.com ([68.42.208.33]) by femail19.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with SMTP id <20020201020838.RTXJ18525.femail19.sdc1.sfba.home.com@a.genesis.com> for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 18:08:38 -0800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Bill To: inschool@kalamazoolinux.org Subject: Re: [Inschool] Best settings for LINUX on students oldies Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 02:06:29 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <3C59C419.EFBAF8EE@kzoo.edu> In-Reply-To: <3C59C419.EFBAF8EE@kzoo.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02020102062908.05351@a.genesis.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: inschool-admin@kalamazoolinux.org Errors-To: inschool-admin@kalamazoolinux.org X-BeenThere: inschool@kalamazoolinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: inschool@kalamazoolinux.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: A list for Linux in schools project. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Thursday 31 January 2002 17:24, you wrote: > 5. I plan on running a Saturday workshop for the students/parents who > put > out the $25 necessary for a working system. Should I try to teach > them command line UNIX methods? > > Looking forward to lots of suggestions, Ralph > _______________________________________________ Dunno about the other stuff ... but why not show them GUI first and then command line equivalents afterwards? "Here's how you do this (click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click) and here's the faster way (type, type )." Make certain apropos is installed and print out one of the many Linux / DOS command equivalency lists from the web. Also ... got room for CUPS? You can be lead-pipe certain these new users will be adding a printer almost immediately. They've got slower machines, make sure they know the faster way to do things even though they are likely to be more comfortable (at first) clicking their way to nirvana. Just my 2 cents worth. I'm pretty impressed that you are making this happen. WTG, fella! Let Schoolforge know how it all turns out, okay? Bill From deal@kzoo.edu Mon Feb 11 14:06:07 2002 Received: from henson.kzoo.edu (henson.kzoo.edu [146.113.32.2]) by klug.kalamazoolinux.org (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g1BJ66x07679 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 14:06:07 -0500 Received: from kzoo.edu (pm508-04.dialip.mich.net [198.108.144.84]) by henson.kzoo.edu (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g1BJA9T12784 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 14:10:09 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3C681556.B1DFC5BB@kzoo.edu> Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 14:02:46 -0500 From: "Ralph M. Deal" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.9-21 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: inschool@kalamazoolinux.org Subject: Re: [Inschool] Best settings for LINUX on students oldies References: <3C59C419.EFBAF8EE@kzoo.edu> <3C59E1FB.8000008@armintl.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: inschool-admin@kalamazoolinux.org Errors-To: inschool-admin@kalamazoolinux.org X-BeenThere: inschool@kalamazoolinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: inschool@kalamazoolinux.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: A list for Linux in schools project. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: In response to my request for advice in setting up LINUX on old 75MHz machines with about 500M harddisk space and 16M RAM for a school district, I received some good advice from several, including: Bruce Smith wrote: > > Now the questions are: > > 1. Should I upgrade to 7.2? > > I would NOT recommend it on a 16MB machine, as the newer kernel > requires a lot more memory. > > I would highly recommend that you make sure you download and > install all the latest errata for 6.2. I am nearing the completion date for this task and am sticking to RH6.2 as Bruce advises. This does lead to some difficulties such as my not being able to use recent versions of some software such as icewm for which I get an error message about rpm(VersionedDistribution) being wrong. Bruce and others had suggested icewm earlier to me in responding to a similar request and I find it just right on my RH7.2 machine. However, I'm going to use XFce since the submenus will give me considerable flexibility in creating button-push options for tasks such as mounting floppies and XFce is fairly fast on an older machine. > > 2. Since most of these machines will have no CDROM drive, I'll want some > > kind of boot diskette in case of problems. What type of disk? a > > rescue, a boot.img disk? > > "Tom's Root Boot" is a nice little distro that runs from diskette.  Haven't tried that yet but did have a boot disk created from the last installation and shall distribute that. > > OR should I have them use gnumeric and abiword, with instructions on how > > to save them onto a floppy so they can be read on the school's MSwindows > > networked machines? > > I dout you'll have enough memory for Star, and have no idea about > the others. I'm not even sure how well windows will run. I find that gnumeric and abiword work fine and have save options that allow easy transfer to other platforms. > > 5. I plan on running a Saturday workshop for the students/parents who > > put out the $25 necessary for a working system. Should I try to teach > > them command line UNIX methods? > > That would be a good machine for command line. That would > run much better than X-windows. I'm close to X-windows only at this point but will instruct the new users on the use of the command line interface, from a terminal window in Xwindows rather than from the non-gui interface, although as I act a trouble-shooter for these new LINUX users, I may have them work outside Xwindows. Wish me luck, Ralph From deal@kzoo.edu Mon Feb 11 14:10:56 2002 Received: from henson.kzoo.edu (henson.kzoo.edu [146.113.32.2]) by klug.kalamazoolinux.org (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g1BJAux07706 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 14:10:56 -0500 Received: from kzoo.edu (pm508-04.dialip.mich.net [198.108.144.84]) by henson.kzoo.edu (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g1BJEwT13871 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 14:14:59 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3C681677.A966BCB9@kzoo.edu> Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 14:07:35 -0500 From: "Ralph M. Deal" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.9-21 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: inschool@kalamazoolinux.org Subject: Re: [Inschool] Best settings for LINUX on students oldies References: <3C59C419.EFBAF8EE@kzoo.edu> <02020102062908.05351@a.genesis.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: inschool-admin@kalamazoolinux.org Errors-To: inschool-admin@kalamazoolinux.org X-BeenThere: inschool@kalamazoolinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: inschool@kalamazoolinux.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: A list for Linux in schools project. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: In response to my Jana. 31 query for advice on setting up a set of ancient computers for student use at home, Bill wrote: > Dunno about the other stuff ... but why not show them GUI first and then > command line equivalents afterwards? "Here's how you do this (click, click, > click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click) > and here's the faster way (type, type )." May do that but the initial handout I've prepared refers to the gui only. > Make certain apropos is installed Have done so. > and print out one of the many Linux / DOS > command equivalency lists from the web. Also ... got room for CUPS? You can > be lead-pipe certain these new users will be adding a printer almost > immediately. I'm working on that now. > They've got slower machines, make sure they know the faster way to do things > even though they are likely to be more comfortable (at first) clicking their > way to nirvana. I'll have some real geeks with whom I'll work separately. I'll have to see how it goes. > Just my 2 cents worth. I'm pretty impressed that you are making this happen. > WTG, fella! I'm lucky that I came along at the right time, saw the stack and asked what OS they were going to use... Best, Ralph From deal@kzoo.edu Tue Feb 12 01:07:57 2002 Received: from henson.kzoo.edu (henson.kzoo.edu [146.113.32.2]) by klug.kalamazoolinux.org (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g1C67ux11171 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 01:07:56 -0500 Received: from kzoo.edu (pm508-34.dialip.mich.net [198.108.144.114]) by henson.kzoo.edu (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g1C6C0T14698 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 01:12:00 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3C68B072.25645B7@kzoo.edu> Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 01:04:34 -0500 From: "Ralph M. Deal" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.9-21 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: inschool@kalamazoolinux.org Subject: Re: [Inschool] Best settings for LINUX on students oldies References: <3C59C419.EFBAF8EE@kzoo.edu> <3C59E1FB.8000008@armintl.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: inschool-admin@kalamazoolinux.org Errors-To: inschool-admin@kalamazoolinux.org X-BeenThere: inschool@kalamazoolinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: inschool@kalamazoolinux.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: A list for Linux in schools project. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: I neglected to ask Bruce Smith about what he wrote: > I would highly recommend that you make sure you download and > install all the latest errata for 6.2. Are there errata beyond your BSware 6.2 #14? Best, Ralph From bruce@armintl.com Tue Feb 12 08:03:13 2002 Received: from mail.armintl.com (IDENT:root@mail.armintl.com [63.148.122.201]) by klug.kalamazoolinux.org (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g1CD3Dx14645 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 08:03:13 -0500 Received: from lx1 (lx1.armintl.com [192.168.3.21] (may be forged)) by mail.armintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA00950 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 08:03:10 -0500 Subject: Re: [Inschool] Best settings for LINUX on students oldies From: Bruce Smith To: inschool@kalamazoolinux.org In-Reply-To: <3C68B072.25645B7@kzoo.edu> References: <3C59C419.EFBAF8EE@kzoo.edu> <3C59E1FB.8000008@armintl.com> <3C68B072.25645B7@kzoo.edu> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 12 Feb 2002 08:03:12 -0500 Message-Id: <1013518992.24168.0.camel@lx1.armintl.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: inschool-admin@kalamazoolinux.org Errors-To: inschool-admin@kalamazoolinux.org X-BeenThere: inschool@kalamazoolinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: inschool@kalamazoolinux.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: A list for Linux in schools project. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: > > I would highly recommend that you make sure you download and > > install all the latest errata for 6.2. > > Are there errata beyond your BSware 6.2 #14? Yes, a lot. i.e. There was new errata last week. -------------------------------------------- Bruce Smith bruce@armintl.com System Administrator / Network Administrator Armstrong International, Inc. Three Rivers, Michigan 49093 USA http://www.armstrong-intl.com/ -------------------------------------------- From awilliam@whitemice.org Tue Feb 12 08:47:00 2002 Received: from falcon.prod.itd.earthlink.net (falcon.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.74]) by klug.kalamazoolinux.org (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g1CDkxx14939 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 08:47:00 -0500 Received: from user-33qtc9s.dialup.mindspring.com ([199.174.177.60] helo=estate1.whitemice.org) by falcon.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16adGo-0003Ri-00 for inschool@kalamazoolinux.org; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 05:46:54 -0800 Subject: Re: [Inschool] Best settings for LINUX on students oldies From: Adam Williams To: inschool@kalamazoolinux.org In-Reply-To: <1013518992.24168.0.camel@lx1.armintl.com> References: <3C59C419.EFBAF8EE@kzoo.edu> <3C59E1FB.8000008@armintl.com> <3C68B072.25645B7@kzoo.edu> <1013518992.24168.0.camel@lx1.armintl.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 12 Feb 2002 08:46:53 -0500 Message-Id: <1013521614.6331.11.camel@estate1.whitemice.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: inschool-admin@kalamazoolinux.org Errors-To: inschool-admin@kalamazoolinux.org X-BeenThere: inschool@kalamazoolinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: inschool@kalamazoolinux.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: A list for Linux in schools project. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: >>>I would highly recommend that you make sure you download and >>>install all the latest errata for 6.2. >>Are there errata beyond your BSware 6.2 #14? >Yes, a lot. i.e. There was new errata last week. I believe that RPM4 was posted for RH6.2. yes? From bruce@armintl.com Tue Feb 12 09:05:53 2002 Received: from mail.armintl.com (IDENT:root@mail.armintl.com [63.148.122.201]) by klug.kalamazoolinux.org (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g1CE5rx15093 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 09:05:53 -0500 Received: from lx1 (lx1.armintl.com [192.168.3.21] (may be forged)) by mail.armintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA01839 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 09:05:50 -0500 Subject: Re: [Inschool] Best settings for LINUX on students oldies From: Bruce Smith To: inschool@kalamazoolinux.org In-Reply-To: <1013521614.6331.11.camel@estate1.whitemice.org> References: <3C59C419.EFBAF8EE@kzoo.edu> <3C59E1FB.8000008@armintl.com> <3C68B072.25645B7@kzoo.edu> <1013518992.24168.0.camel@lx1.armintl.com> <1013521614.6331.11.camel@estate1.whitemice.org> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 12 Feb 2002 09:05:52 -0500 Message-Id: <1013522752.24167.3.camel@lx1.armintl.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: inschool-admin@kalamazoolinux.org Errors-To: inschool-admin@kalamazoolinux.org X-BeenThere: inschool@kalamazoolinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: inschool@kalamazoolinux.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: A list for Linux in schools project. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: > >>>I would highly recommend that you make sure you download and > >>>install all the latest errata for 6.2. > >>Are there errata beyond your BSware 6.2 #14? > >Yes, a lot. i.e. There was new errata last week. > > I believe that RPM4 was posted for RH6.2. yes? Yes, and a LOT of other stuff: http://www.redhat.com/support/errata/rh62-errata-general.html -------------------------------------------- Bruce Smith bruce@armintl.com System Administrator / Network Administrator Armstrong International, Inc. Three Rivers, Michigan 49093 USA http://www.armstrong-intl.com/ -------------------------------------------- From awilliam@whitemice.org Tue Feb 12 12:15:21 2002 Received: from scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net (scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.49]) by klug.kalamazoolinux.org (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g1CHFKx16358 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 12:15:21 -0500 Received: from user-33qtc9s.dialup.mindspring.com ([199.174.177.60] helo=estate1.whitemice.org) by scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16agWV-0003gl-00 for inschool@kalamazoolinux.org; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 09:15:19 -0800 Subject: Re: [Inschool] Best settings for LINUX on students oldies From: Adam Williams To: inschool@kalamazoolinux.org In-Reply-To: <1013522752.24167.3.camel@lx1.armintl.com> References: <3C59C419.EFBAF8EE@kzoo.edu> <3C59E1FB.8000008@armintl.com> <3C68B072.25645B7@kzoo.edu> <1013518992.24168.0.camel@lx1.armintl.com> <1013521614.6331.11.camel@estate1.whitemice.org> <1013522752.24167.3.camel@lx1.armintl.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 12 Feb 2002 12:15:18 -0500 Message-Id: <1013534119.13103.7.camel@estate1.whitemice.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: inschool-admin@kalamazoolinux.org Errors-To: inschool-admin@kalamazoolinux.org X-BeenThere: inschool@kalamazoolinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: inschool@kalamazoolinux.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: A list for Linux in schools project. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: >>>>>I would highly recommend that you make sure you download and >>>>>install all the latest errata for 6.2. >>>>Are there errata beyond your BSware 6.2 #14? >>>Yes, a lot. i.e. There was new errata last week. >>I believe that RPM4 was posted for RH6.2. yes? >Yes, and a LOT of other stuff: >http://www.redhat.com/support/errata/rh62-errata-general.html Wow, even a 2.2.19 (nfsv3) kernel and openldap packages. With all those it would almost resemble a modern distro, too bad they don't back port the configuration tools. From awilliam@whitemice.org Mon Mar 4 17:36:16 2002 Received: from snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net (snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.62]) by klug.kalamazoolinux.org (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g24Ma6h03526 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 17:36:15 -0500 Received: from user-33qtdms.dialup.mindspring.com ([199.174.182.220] helo=estate1.whitemice.org) by snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16i13m-00076U-00 for inschool@kalamazoolinux.org; Mon, 04 Mar 2002 14:35:59 -0800 From: Adam Williams To: inschool@kalamazoolinux.org Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 04 Mar 2002 17:35:49 -0500 Message-Id: <1015281358.8439.4.camel@estate1.whitemice.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: [Inschool] Interesting Article Sender: inschool-admin@kalamazoolinux.org Errors-To: inschool-admin@kalamazoolinux.org X-BeenThere: inschool@kalamazoolinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: inschool@kalamazoolinux.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: A list for Linux in schools project. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: http://dot.kde.org/1015251670/ Here is an article about a K12LTSP deployment in Florida (not a public school, of course). The resident LUG provided some of the man power. They use KDE, but still looks pretty interesting. Not much techincal detail. From awilliam@whitemice.org Mon Apr 1 16:29:18 2002 Received: from albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net (albatross.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.120]) by klug.kalamazoolinux.org (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g31LTHK28767 for ; Mon, 1 Apr 2002 16:29:17 -0500 Received: from user-33qtb4q.dsl.mindspring.com ([199.174.172.154] helo=estate1.whitemice.org) by albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16s9MV-0003yO-00 for inschool@kalamazoolinux.org; Mon, 01 Apr 2002 13:29:11 -0800 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by estate1.whitemice.org (8.11.6/linuxconf) with ESMTP id g31LSD224519 for ; Mon, 1 Apr 2002 16:28:13 -0500 Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 16:28:13 -0500 (EST) From: Adam Williams6 To: inschool@kalamazoolinux.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [Inschool] PowerPC based LTSP clients Sender: inschool-admin@kalamazoolinux.org Errors-To: inschool-admin@kalamazoolinux.org X-BeenThere: inschool@kalamazoolinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: inschool@kalamazoolinux.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: A list for Linux in schools project. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Using Power PC Macs as LTSP clients: http://www.k12os.org/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=15&mode=thread&order=0 Thought it might be interesting as schools appear to be littered with arthritic 604 based systems. -- ----------------------------------------------------------- Ximian GNOME, Evolution, LTSP, and RedHat Linux + LVM & XFS ----------------------------------------------------------- From deal@kzoo.edu Sat Apr 6 10:41:54 2002 Received: from henson.kzoo.edu (henson.kzoo.edu [146.113.32.2]) by klug.kalamazoolinux.org (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g36FfsK12162 for ; Sat, 6 Apr 2002 10:41:54 -0500 Received: from kzoo.edu (pm508-15.dialip.mich.net [198.108.144.95]) (authenticated bits=0) by henson.kzoo.edu (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g36FjxcT015724 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); Sat, 6 Apr 2002 10:46:07 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3CAF15C5.B428C863@kzoo.edu> Date: Sat, 06 Apr 2002 10:35:33 -0500 From: "Ralph M. Deal" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.9-31 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "pht92gee@hotmail.com" CC: LINUX in_education References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Inschool] Re: Tool Kit Sender: inschool-admin@kalamazoolinux.org Errors-To: inschool-admin@kalamazoolinux.org X-BeenThere: inschool@kalamazoolinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: inschool@kalamazoolinux.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: A list for Linux in schools project. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: "pht92gee@hotmail.com" wrote: > > Hey there, I found this web site that gives some good sources for doing more with > the school?s web site. Let me know what you think. > > http://www.pluggedin.org/tool_kit/ > > Bradley Smith > Educator VERY interesting. Seems the school center organization may be more interested in making money than serving students/teachers but their stated goals are great. Looks like just the kind of project a LINUX user's group could start up with FREE software and documentation. I also found the plugged in group itself interesting. Would be great to build up a physical location where students AND parents and any other interested local citizen could come to learn some simple computer skills, learn of some useful websites, learn how to use email. Wonder if some local Internet Service Provider might be interested in taking on such a community project with volunteers maintaining the actual location and the ISP providing free or very low cost internet access. Aside from the public service aspect, it would be a great way to promote the ISP for internet connection away from the center. Note that I'm passing your suggestion to the Kalamazoo LINUX users' group - the education subgroup. Any comments? Ralph deal@kzoo.edu From awilliam@whitemice.org Sun Apr 7 14:51:47 2002 Received: from harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net (harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.12]) by klug.kalamazoolinux.org (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g37IplK25374 for ; Sun, 7 Apr 2002 14:51:47 -0400 Received: from user-11218np.dsl.mindspring.com ([66.32.162.249] helo=estate1.whitemice.org) by harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16uHlN-0002th-00 for inschool@kalamazoolinux.org; Sun, 07 Apr 2002 11:51:41 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by estate1.whitemice.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g37Ipeb05587 for ; Sun, 7 Apr 2002 14:51:40 -0400 Subject: Re: [Inschool] Re: Tool Kit From: Adam Williams To: inschool@kalamazoolinux.org In-Reply-To: <3CAF15C5.B428C863@kzoo.edu> References: <3CAF15C5.B428C863@kzoo.edu> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 07 Apr 2002 14:51:39 -0400 Message-Id: <1018205500.5461.6.camel@estate1.whitemice.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: inschool-admin@kalamazoolinux.org Errors-To: inschool-admin@kalamazoolinux.org X-BeenThere: inschool@kalamazoolinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: inschool@kalamazoolinux.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: A list for Linux in schools project. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: >>Hey there, I found this web site that gives some good sources for doing more with >>the school?s web site. Let me know what you think. >>http://www.pluggedin.org/tool_kit/ >VERY interesting. Seems the school center organization may be more >interested in making money >than serving students/teachers but their stated goals are great. Looks >like just the kind of >project a LINUX user's group could start up with FREE software and >documentation. If you mean the website, OK. They mention calendars, multiple choice tests, file sharing, etc... phpgroupware (and several other packages) offer this out-of-the-box. The web services they offer (as far as I can tell), leave mean thinking: "So? Big deal". A volunteer effort could offer such services with very little effort given they had some IT infrastructure (servers, backbone connections, UPS, etc...) I could EASILY see something of this nature hosted under the KLUG umbrella if someone pulls together a knot of sincerely interested volunteers. I'd help get the rolling. >I also found the plugged in group itself interesting. Would be great to >build up a physical location >where students AND parents and any other interested local citizen could >come to learn some simple >computer skills, learn of some useful websites, learn how to use email. >Wonder if some local Internet >Service Provider might be interested in taking on such a community >project with volunteers maintaining >the actual location and the ISP providing free or very low cost internet >access. Aside from >the public service aspect, it would be a great way to promote the ISP >for internet connection away from the center. The requirement for physical facilities and volunteer assistants makes this a MUCH larger effort. KLUG and myself have attempted in the past to orchestrate entry-level training with community organs before, but the community organs have always exemplified fickle-ness, lack of commitment, poor communication, etc... >Note that I'm passing your suggestion to the Kalamazoo LINUX users' >group - the education subgroup. >Any comments? Always. :) From deal@kzoo.edu Sun Apr 7 17:07:31 2002 Received: from henson.kzoo.edu (henson.kzoo.edu [146.113.32.2]) by klug.kalamazoolinux.org (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g37L7VK26062 for ; Sun, 7 Apr 2002 17:07:31 -0400 Received: from kzoo.edu (pm508-16.dialip.mich.net [198.108.144.96]) (authenticated bits=0) by henson.kzoo.edu (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g37LBecT010581 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 7 Apr 2002 17:11:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3CB0B392.28F8A20C@kzoo.edu> Date: Sun, 07 Apr 2002 17:01:06 -0400 From: "Ralph M. Deal" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.9-31 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: inschool@kalamazoolinux.org Subject: Re: [Inschool] Re: Tool Kit References: <3CAF15C5.B428C863@kzoo.edu> <1018205500.5461.6.camel@estate1.whitemice.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: inschool-admin@kalamazoolinux.org Errors-To: inschool-admin@kalamazoolinux.org X-BeenThere: inschool@kalamazoolinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: inschool@kalamazoolinux.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: A list for Linux in schools project. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Adam Williams wrote: . . . > If you mean the website, OK. They mention calendars, multiple choice > tests, file sharing, etc... phpgroupware (and several other packages) > offer this out-of-the-box. The web services they offer (as far as I can > tell), leave mean thinking: "So? Big deal". A volunteer effort could > offer such services with very little effort given they had some IT > infrastructure (servers, backbone connections, UPS, etc...) Yes! I didn't know about phpgroupware and have just been looking into & even downloading it. It doesn't seem to have multiple-choice test features at present but it seems one could write such easily(?) in php. While the commercial system seems oriented to sit in one school to serve the teachers,students in that school. If KLUG were to take on such a project, if they had the infrastructure you mention, including a physical location, it could serve an entire school district, right? > I could EASILY see something of this nature hosted under the KLUG > umbrella if someone pulls together a knot of sincerely interested > volunteers. I'd help get the rolling. Same here, although in my case, I'd be learning more than helping roll [the ball?] > >I also found the plugged in group itself interesting. Would be great to > >build up a physical location > >where students AND parents and any other interested local citizen could > >come to learn some simple > >computer skills, learn of some useful websites, learn how to use email. > >Wonder if some local Internet > >Service Provider might be interested in taking on such a community > >project with volunteers maintaining > >the actual location and the ISP providing free or very low cost internet > >access. Aside from > >the public service aspect, it would be a great way to promote the ISP > >for internet connection away from the center. > > The requirement for physical facilities and volunteer assistants makes > this a MUCH larger effort. KLUG and myself have attempted in the past > to orchestrate entry-level training with community organs before, but > the community organs have always exemplified fickle-ness, lack of > commitment, poor communication, etc... I believe that. The former project could have the same problem if teachers were not given time or rewarded with at least praise for involvement. Since this project would have teachers/students working in LINUX as well as MS windows on their classroom computers, would this be a problem? i.e. can phpgroupware provide services for teachers without their having any contact with command-line LINUX? Ralph From awilliam@whitemice.org Sun Apr 7 17:45:48 2002 Received: from hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net (hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.22]) by klug.kalamazoolinux.org (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g37LjGK26310 for ; Sun, 7 Apr 2002 17:45:48 -0400 Received: from user-11218np.dsl.mindspring.com ([66.32.162.249] helo=estate1.whitemice.org) by hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16uKTG-0006ar-00 for inschool@kalamazoolinux.org; Sun, 07 Apr 2002 14:45:10 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by estate1.whitemice.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g37Lj9b08050 for ; Sun, 7 Apr 2002 17:45:09 -0400 Subject: Re: [Inschool] Re: Tool Kit From: Adam Williams To: inschool@kalamazoolinux.org In-Reply-To: <3CB0B392.28F8A20C@kzoo.edu> References: <3CAF15C5.B428C863@kzoo.edu> <1018205500.5461.6.camel@estate1.whitemice.org> <3CB0B392.28F8A20C@kzoo.edu> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 07 Apr 2002 17:45:09 -0400 Message-Id: <1018215909.7996.6.camel@estate1.whitemice.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: inschool-admin@kalamazoolinux.org Errors-To: inschool-admin@kalamazoolinux.org X-BeenThere: inschool@kalamazoolinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: inschool@kalamazoolinux.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: A list for Linux in schools project. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: >>If you mean the website, OK. They mention calendars, multiple choice >>tests, file sharing, etc... phpgroupware (and several other packages) >>offer this out-of-the-box. The web services they offer (as far as I can >>tell), leave mean thinking: "So? Big deal". A volunteer effort could >>offer such services with very little effort given they had some IT >>infrastructure (servers, backbone connections, UPS, etc...) >Yes! I didn't know about phpgroupware and have just been looking into & >even downloading it. It doesn't seem to have multiple-choice test >features >at present but it seems one could write such easily(?) in php. It calls them "surveys", same thing. If not I have PHP code for building forms for capturing various type of tests: multiple choice, multi-choice, string, and essay questions. >While the commercial system seems oriented to sit in one school to serve >the >teachers,students in that school. If KLUG were to take on such a >project, >if they had the infrastructure you mention, including a physical >location, >it could serve an entire school district, right? Or nation, whatever. Bandwidth and cycles, just add more. >>I could EASILY see something of this nature hosted under the KLUG >>umbrella if someone pulls together a knot of sincerely interested >>volunteers. I'd help get the rolling. That would be good, I can't promise time to "maintain" a project. >Same here, although in my case, I'd be learning more than helping roll >[the ball?] >>>I also found the plugged in group itself interesting. Would be great to >>>build up a physical location >>>where students AND parents and any other interested local citizen could >>>come to learn some simple >>>computer skills, learn of some useful websites, learn how to use email. >>>Wonder if some local Internet >>>Service Provider might be interested in taking on such a community >>>project with volunteers maintaining >>>the actual location and the ISP providing free or very low cost internet >>>access. Aside from >>>the public service aspect, it would be a great way to promote the ISP >>>for internet connection away from the center. >>The requirement for physical facilities and volunteer assistants makes >>this a MUCH larger effort. KLUG and myself have attempted in the past >>to orchestrate entry-level training with community organs before, but >>the community organs have always exemplified fickle-ness, lack of >>commitment, poor communication, etc... >I believe that. The former project could have the same problem if >teachers were not given time or rewarded with at least praise for involvement. >Since this project would have teachers/students working in LINUX as well >as MS windows on their classroom computers, would this be a problem? >i.e. can phpgroupware provide services for teachers without their >having any contact with command-line LINUX? Sure, PHP groupware (and others) are purely web based. So long as they have a decent version of IE it should work. From deal@kzoo.edu Mon Apr 8 08:11:26 2002 Received: from henson.kzoo.edu (henson.kzoo.edu [146.113.32.2]) by klug.kalamazoolinux.org (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g38CBPK32601 for ; Mon, 8 Apr 2002 08:11:25 -0400 Received: from kzoo.edu (pm508-20.dialip.mich.net [198.108.144.100]) (authenticated bits=0) by henson.kzoo.edu (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g38CFdcT002258 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 8 Apr 2002 08:15:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3CB1876D.C986C5CC@kzoo.edu> Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2002 08:05:01 -0400 From: "Ralph M. Deal" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.9-31 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: inschool@kalamazoolinux.org Subject: Re: [Inschool] Re: Tool Kit References: <3CAF15C5.B428C863@kzoo.edu> <1018205500.5461.6.camel@estate1.whitemice.org> <3CB0B392.28F8A20C@kzoo.edu> <1018215909.7996.6.camel@estate1.whitemice.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: inschool-admin@kalamazoolinux.org Errors-To: inschool-admin@kalamazoolinux.org X-BeenThere: inschool@kalamazoolinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: inschool@kalamazoolinux.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: A list for Linux in schools project. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Adam Williams wrote: .... > >Since this project would have teachers/students working in LINUX as well > >as MS windows on their classroom computers, would this be a problem? > >i.e. can phpgroupware provide services for teachers without their > >having any contact with command-line LINUX? > > Sure, PHP groupware (and others) are purely web based. So long as they > have a decent version of IE it should work. Duh.. Of course. Looks quite feasible, given the resources. Ralph From gettig@chartermi.net Sun Jun 16 21:53:43 2002 Received: from localhost.localdomain (24.247.113.80.kzo.mi.chartermi.net [24.247.113.80]) by klug.kalamazoolinux.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g5H1rgJ32261; Sun, 16 Jun 2002 21:53:42 -0400 Received: (from tony@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g5H23LP02019; Sun, 16 Jun 2002 22:03:21 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.localdomain: tony set sender to gettig@chartermi.net using -f From: Tony Gettig To: members@kalamazoolinux.org Cc: inschool@kalamazoolinux.org In-Reply-To: <3D0D2809.DE183AD@chartermi.net> References: <3D0D2809.DE183AD@chartermi.net> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.5 Date: 16 Jun 2002 22:03:21 -0400 Message-Id: <1024279401.1844.59.camel@penguindude> Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: [Inschool] Re: [KLUG Members] Linux in schools Sender: inschool-admin@kalamazoolinux.org Errors-To: inschool-admin@kalamazoolinux.org X-BeenThere: inschool@kalamazoolinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: inschool@kalamazoolinux.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: A list for Linux in schools project. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi Bruce, I am the network administrator for Kalamazoo Public Schools. I would be very interested in hearing about what you are doing and possibly lending a hand. I know there are others on the klug list that would be interested in this too. Maybe this would be a good time to get everyone interested in Linux in the schools together for a round table discussion, possibly over dinner somewhere? The biggest hurdle I keep running into is one of M$ culture and the refusal to change. Deep down, I think it's mainly fear that keeps people in the schools from changing. I have no doubt about the students. They would adapt fine. It's the so called "higher thinkers" in administration and the secretarial staff that are the road blocks. Even more so, I made a discovery recently that was rather interesting: we apparently have agreements with certain local colleges that will remain unnamed to teach a certain curriculum for office productivity (i.e. MS-Office). The idea being that the kids are doing in high school what they would be doing in college, thereby giving them the opportunity to get college credit while in high school AND prep them for the MOUS (Microsoft Office User Specialist, I think) certification exam. So, it's not just a matter of $$$ for us, there are external relationships and curriculum on the table. But it's not all bad news. I have permission to install Star Office in two labs this fall. While it's not Linux, it's a step in the right direction. The idea that I keep challenging folks here with is making M$ the exception instead of the standard. That change in thinking has far reaching implications for licensing, teaching, and administrative work flow. I'm envisioning a bunch of folks from K-12, and possibly the area colleges, occupying the back room at Damon's, Chi-Chi's, or someplace similar. A time to network with an eventual agenda of talking about Linux in the schools, what we're doing now, what we want to do, how Linux can help, and how we can help each other. Anyone else interested? I guess I wasn't aware that there was an inschool list for this. I just subscribed while typing this message. I have cross posted this to both the members and the inschool list, but I will send future emails on the topic to the inschool list. On Sun, 2002-06-16 at 20:06, Bruce wrote: > Hi All! > > I have a question that I'm trying to get answered. I have some > information that I need, ie. the post from last week on the Largo Fla. > for their Linux systems. What I'm looking for is email addresses, > articles, and anything inbetween for using Linux in public schools. > > The reasons that I am asking for this is now that I'm back to work, I > don't have the time to go looking. And I have promised a school board > member that I would get him all the information that I could email to > him on this subject. Comstock schools are spending/going to spend a > bunch of $$ to "update" the computers and "software" every 3 years. > Personally, from what I've seen with Linux, this is pretty redundant. > And lame. > > I haven't made the promise yet, nor will I without asking first: If > Comstock schools were to go to a Linux system, school wide, would there > be any KLUG members willing to help implement this? I am asking first > and talking later with school board. > > As always, TIA > > Bruce -- Tony Gettig http://www.penguindude.com GBY! From therustycook@yahoo.com Mon Jun 17 11:56:56 2002 Received: from web21204.mail.yahoo.com (web21204.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.131.77]) by klug.kalamazoolinux.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id g5HFutJ06661 for ; Mon, 17 Jun 2002 11:56:56 -0400 Message-ID: <20020617155645.13007.qmail@web21204.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.247.108.146] by web21204.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 17 Jun 2002 08:56:45 PDT Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 08:56:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Rusty Yonkers Subject: Re: [Inschool] Re: [KLUG Members] Linux in schools To: inschool@kalamazoolinux.org In-Reply-To: <1024279401.1844.59.camel@penguindude> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: inschool-admin@kalamazoolinux.org Errors-To: inschool-admin@kalamazoolinux.org X-BeenThere: inschool@kalamazoolinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: inschool@kalamazoolinux.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: A list for Linux in schools project. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: > I'm envisioning a bunch of folks from K-12, and possibly the area > colleges, occupying the back room at Damon's, Chi-Chi's, or > someplace > similar. A time to network with an eventual agenda of talking about > Linux in the schools, what we're doing now, what we want to do, how > Linux can help, and how we can help each other. Anyone else > interested? > I teach computer networking (including Linux) at a technical college in Grand Rapids. I would be major interested in sitting in on such a meeting and seeing what could come about. We are doing some extra credit lab work right now in setting up a Linux-centric mixed network environment so the students can see what it entails. I am also hoping to write some books on both Linux and on teaching word processing, etc using open source software.... ===== Truth is truth ... no matter what I think... ----------------------------------------- Department of Redundancy Department ----------------------------------------- Devoted RedHat fan... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From awilliam@whitemice.org Mon Jun 17 12:28:27 2002 Received: from pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net (pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.122]) by klug.kalamazoolinux.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g5HGSRJ07145 for ; Mon, 17 Jun 2002 12:28:27 -0400 Received: from user-uinjm5m.dsl.mindspring.com ([165.121.216.182] helo=estate1.whitemice.org) by pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 17JzMa-0007Yg-00 for inschool@kalamazoolinux.org; Mon, 17 Jun 2002 09:28:20 -0700 Received: from estate1.whitemice.org (estate1.whitemice.org [127.0.0.1] (may be forged)) by estate1.whitemice.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g5HGVnO15730 for ; Mon, 17 Jun 2002 12:31:49 -0400 Subject: Re: [Inschool] Re: [KLUG Members] Linux in schools From: Adam Williams To: inschool@kalamazoolinux.org In-Reply-To: <20020617155645.13007.qmail@web21204.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20020617155645.13007.qmail@web21204.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.7 Date: 17 Jun 2002 12:31:49 -0400 Message-Id: <1024331509.15623.4.camel@estate1.whitemice.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: inschool-admin@kalamazoolinux.org Errors-To: inschool-admin@kalamazoolinux.org X-BeenThere: inschool@kalamazoolinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: inschool@kalamazoolinux.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: A list for Linux in schools project. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: >>I'm envisioning a bunch of folks from K-12, and possibly the area >>colleges, occupying the back room at Damon's, Chi-Chi's, or >>someplace >>similar. A time to network with an eventual agenda of talking about >>Linux in the schools, what we're doing now, what we want to do, how >>Linux can help, and how we can help each other. Anyone else >>interested? >I teach computer networking (including Linux) at a technical college >in Grand Rapids. I would be major interested in sitting in on such a >meeting and seeing what could come about. We are doing some extra If you've got any specific issues I'd be willing to wander over and take a look sometime (I'm in GR after all). >credit lab work right now in setting up a Linux-centric mixed network >environment so the students can see what it entails. I am also >hoping to write some books on both Linux and on >teaching word >processing, etc using open source software.... There are lots of misc. documents linked from the OO site. In case your looking for something like working with databases for mail merges, etc... From gettig@chartermi.net Mon Jun 17 14:50:55 2002 Received: from back3.chartermi.net (24.213.60.113.up.mi.chartermi.net [24.213.60.113]) by klug.kalamazoolinux.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g5HIotJ07873 for ; Mon, 17 Jun 2002 14:50:55 -0400 Received: from [216.120.157.114] (account ) by back3.chartermi.net (CommuniGate Pro WebUser 3.5.3) with HTTP id 27360459 for ; Mon, 17 Jun 2002 14:46:14 -0400 From: "Gettig,Tony" Subject: Re: [Inschool] Re: [KLUG Members] Linux in schools To: inschool@kalamazoolinux.org X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro Web Mailer v.3.5.3 Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 14:46:14 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20020617155645.13007.qmail@web21204.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: inschool-admin@kalamazoolinux.org Errors-To: inschool-admin@kalamazoolinux.org X-BeenThere: inschool@kalamazoolinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: inschool@kalamazoolinux.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: A list for Linux in schools project. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: I was chatting with my boss about this today and he is interested in getting together to talk Linux in schools too. With Rusty, that makes three of us. Anyone else interested? Tony Gettig http://www.penguindude.com GBY! ... I teach computer networking (including Linux) at a technical college in Grand Rapids. I would be major interested in sitting in on such a meeting and seeing what could come about. We are doing some extra credit lab work right now in setting up a Linux-centric mixed network environment so the students can see what it entails. I am also hoping to write some books on both Linux and on teaching word processing, etc using open source software.... ... From john@mail.bridleman.org Mon Jun 17 15:05:54 2002 Received: from mail.bridleman.org (216-93-40-248.mdmmi.voyager.net [216.93.40.248]) by klug.kalamazoolinux.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g5HJ5rJ07993 for ; Mon, 17 Jun 2002 15:05:53 -0400 Received: (from john@localhost) by mail.bridleman.org (8.11.6/8.11.2) id g5HJ0DR25716 for inschool@kalamazoolinux.org; Mon, 17 Jun 2002 15:00:13 -0400 Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 15:00:13 -0400 From: John Bridleman To: inschool@kalamazoolinux.org Subject: Re: [Inschool] Re: [KLUG Members] Linux in schools Message-ID: <20020617150013.A25557@bridleman.org> Mail-Followup-To: inschool@kalamazoolinux.org References: <3D0D2809.DE183AD@chartermi.net> <1024279401.1844.59.camel@penguindude> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: <1024279401.1844.59.camel@penguindude>; from gettig@chartermi.net on Sun, Jun 16, 2002 at 10:03:21PM -0400 X-Editor: Vim http://www.vim.org/ X-Info: http://www.bridleman.org Organization: Getting better X-Operating-System: Linux/2.4.9-31 (i686) X-Uptime: 2:52pm up 96 days, 5:01, 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 Sender: inschool-admin@kalamazoolinux.org Errors-To: inschool-admin@kalamazoolinux.org X-BeenThere: inschool@kalamazoolinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: inschool@kalamazoolinux.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: A list for Linux in schools project. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: * Tony Gettig (gettig@chartermi.net) wrote: > I am the network administrator for Kalamazoo Public Schools. I would be > very interested in hearing about what you are doing and possibly lending > a hand. I know there are others on the klug list that would be > interested in this too. Maybe this would be a good time to get everyone > interested in Linux in the schools together for a round table > discussion, possibly over dinner somewhere? I'm interested. > The biggest hurdle I keep running into is one of M$ culture and the > refusal to change. Deep down, I think it's mainly fear that keeps people > in the schools from changing. I have no doubt about the students. They > would adapt fine. It's the so called "higher thinkers" in administration > and the secretarial staff that are the road blocks. In my particular situation it's not fear, at least as far as the administration is concerned. The fear is with the teachers - training and teaching materials. The teachers that I know already have materials based around MSOffice. Are there any training materials for Star Office? Also, at the elementary level, they wold have to be able to run Reader Rabbit, Putt-Putt and Accelerated Reader. If we can't make these things run then forget it. The administration is looking at anything that can be done to cut costs. If I could walk in there with a server and a half dozen workstations and demonstrate that these applications could be run then I know they could be convinced to switch away from MS and Novell. It would be nice if it could run along with Novell through a transition period. -- John Bridleman / www.bridleman.org From adam@morrison-ind.com Mon Jun 17 15:11:22 2002 Received: from kohocton.morrison.iserv.net (mail.morrison.iserv.net [206.114.45.106]) by klug.kalamazoolinux.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g5HJBLJ08035 for ; Mon, 17 Jun 2002 15:11:22 -0400 Received: from lnx01688.morrison.iserv.net (LNX01688.morrison.iserv.net [192.168.1.164]) by kohocton.morrison.iserv.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id g5HJBKS05497 for ; Mon, 17 Jun 2002 15:11:20 -0400 Received: from localhost (adam@localhost) by lnx01688.morrison.iserv.net (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g5HJBK218287 for ; Mon, 17 Jun 2002 15:11:20 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: lnx01688.morrison.iserv.net: adam owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 15:11:20 -0400 (EDT) From: Adam Williams X-X-Sender: adam@lnx01688.morrison.iserv.net To: inschool@kalamazoolinux.org Subject: Re: [Inschool] Re: [KLUG Members] Linux in schools In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: inschool-admin@kalamazoolinux.org Errors-To: inschool-admin@kalamazoolinux.org X-BeenThere: inschool@kalamazoolinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: inschool@kalamazoolinux.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: A list for Linux in schools project. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: >I was chatting with my boss about this today and he is >interested in getting together to talk Linux in schools >too. With Rusty, that makes three of us. Anyone else >interested? I'm interested, but I don't work for a school system.