From wlindemann at gmail.com Tue Jul 1 07:57:38 2008 From: wlindemann at gmail.com (William Lindemann) Date: Tue Jul 1 11:30:41 2008 Subject: [KLUG Members] KLUG General Assistance Meeting Today, Tuesday, July 1, 2008 at 7pm Message-ID: *2008-07-01 - General Assistance Meeting* This meeting is intended for those who are just curious about Linux and Open Source software, who need some help getting started, or want some extra eyes to look at your advanced problem. You can also bring your computer in order to have Linux installed on it, at no charge; or to try a Linux distribution that boots from CD and requires no change to your system's current software. If you would like assistance with a specific problem please e-mail a detailed description to installmaster@kalamazoolinux.org, so we can be sure someone familiar with your issue will be available to assist you. 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URL: http://www.kalamazoolinux.org/pipermail/members/attachments/20080701/51ac591b/attachment.html From brocki1 at sbcglobal.net Mon Jul 7 14:14:00 2008 From: brocki1 at sbcglobal.net (Brock Inglehart) Date: Mon Jul 7 13:53:47 2008 Subject: [KLUG Members] problem with updates on Ubuntu 7.1 Message-ID: <1215454440.3749.40.camel@linux-fhvo.site> Saw that I needed to update my "sandbox" so I pushed the little icon and it said I had 32 updates. Not surprising as I am not the best at keeping updated. Downloaded same and when finished was told that "7 files were not retrieved". I told it to try again and when the update manager finished, with apparent success this time, I closed out the update manager. When I was back to my main screen, I noticed the icon said I needed updates yet. It now says I have "103 updates available". Somehow that doesn't make any sense. My update source is; mirrors.us.kernel.org/ubuntu. Any idea what is going on here? Brock From mlueck at lueckdatasystems.com Mon Jul 7 14:20:17 2008 From: mlueck at lueckdatasystems.com (Michael Lueck) Date: Mon Jul 7 14:16:59 2008 Subject: [KLUG Members] problem with updates on Ubuntu 7.1 In-Reply-To: <1215454440.3749.40.camel@linux-fhvo.site> References: <1215454440.3749.40.camel@linux-fhvo.site> Message-ID: <48725E61.5070404@lueckdatasystems.com> Greetings Brock- No idea why it is doing what you describe. However, Ubuntu 7.10 release is to be AVOIDED like a plague. Both Ubuntu 7.04 and 8.04 are rock solid. -- Michael Lueck Lueck Data Systems http://www.lueckdatasystems.com/ From wlindemann at gmail.com Tue Jul 8 08:55:28 2008 From: wlindemann at gmail.com (William Lindemann) Date: Tue Jul 8 08:51:49 2008 Subject: [KLUG Members] KLUG Weekley Meeting TODAY, July 8, 2008 at 7pm Message-ID: *This Week's Meeting (2008-07-08)* *Ubuntu Desktop Training: Ubuntu Help and Support *Our meeting site is the Kalamazoo Chamber Of Commerce Address: Kalamazoo Chamber Of Commerce. 346 West Michigan Avenue Kalamazoo, MI. 49007 We meet weekly, each Tuesday at 7pm. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.kalamazoolinux.org/pipermail/members/attachments/20080708/c9c6ed54/attachment.html From charndt at yahoo.com Wed Jul 9 17:02:11 2008 From: charndt at yahoo.com (Carl Arndt) Date: Wed Jul 9 16:58:30 2008 Subject: [KLUG Members] Re: problem with updates on Ubuntu 7.1 Message-ID: <649506.46436.qm@web36501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Too late.? I am hosed. Carl ----- Original Message ---- Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2008 14:20:17 -0400 From: Michael Lueck Subject: Re: [KLUG Members] problem with updates on Ubuntu 7.1 To: "The main KLUG mailing list." Message-ID: <48725E61.5070404@lueckdatasystems.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Greetings Brock- No idea why it is doing what you describe. However, Ubuntu 7.10 release is to be AVOIDED like a plague. Both Ubuntu 7.04 and 8.04 are rock solid. -- Michael Lueck Lueck Data Systems http://www.lueckdatasystems.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.kalamazoolinux.org/pipermail/members/attachments/20080709/61ff6dda/attachment.htm From bob at ivelop.net Thu Jul 10 00:18:06 2008 From: bob at ivelop.net (Robert G. Brown) Date: Thu Jul 10 20:47:48 2008 Subject: [KLUG Members] Re: problem with updates on Ubuntu 7.1 In-Reply-To: <649506.46436.qm@web36501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <649506.46436.qm@web36501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1616.71.59.196.227.1215663486.squirrel@webmail.ivelop.net> I have seen what Brock originally described on several occasions, and it is a byproduct of the sorts of update tools that have come into common use. Most of the tools (rpm, YaST, etc.) pack up the software needed for the update, scripts to actually do the install, and a statemnt of some rules, mostly about what is needed on the system prior to being able to install the package in question. Let's say that you don't do an update for a while. In the meantime, the developers have been real busy, and cumulatively, they didn't write only 1 new version of the package in question, but 2. Also, the very newest version requires 2 libraries, and the upgrade of a third. Now the update process starts. A lot of these "repositories" determine the number of updates needed when your system queries the repository database, in essence saying (given what I have on the system here), what updates are available? The repository essentially determines how many updates are needed to update the SOFTWARE YOU HAVE RIGHT NOW (not shouting, this is an important point to remember). So you download and install all of those updates. afterall of that dust settles, someone (you, the update manager process) eventually gets around to doing another database query. Because you have changed the software on your system, you may now be eligible for MORE updates than before! How can this be? When this all started, let's say you had a package called "A", and it's version 2.3.4. The repository query says there is an upgrade available, "A" version 2.3.6. So your update got and installed "A" 2.3.6. the next query shows that "A" version 2.4.0 is available (but it required 2.3.6 to be installed, 2.3.4 was not "good enough"). Also, 2.4.0 requires the "Flivver"and the "Blabber" libraries (to process "Flivver" Image formats and "Blabber" audio files, of course), so "A" can show this stuff to the user. Thus your inital update showed 1 update available ("A" 2.3.4 to "A" 2.3.6) and the second update shows THREE updates ("A" 2.3.6 -> 2.4.0, and libflivver AND libblabber). This can go on for several levels if you wait long enough to do updates, but persisting with the process ought to catch you up. > Too late.? I am hosed. Hosed? Regards, ---> RGB <--- PS: Living in the very Shadow of the Linux foundation! > ----- Original Message ---- > > Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2008 14:20:17 -0400 > From: Michael Lueck > Subject: Re: [KLUG Members] problem with updates on Ubuntu 7.1 > To: "The main KLUG mailing list." > Message-ID: <48725E61.5070404@lueckdatasystems.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Greetings Brock- > > No idea why it is doing what you describe. > > However, Ubuntu 7.10 release is to be AVOIDED like a plague. > > Both Ubuntu 7.04 and 8.04 are rock solid. > > -- > Michael Lueck > Lueck Data Systems > http://www.lueckdatasystems.com/ > > > _______________________________________________ > Members mailing list > Members@kalamazoolinux.org > http://www.kalamazoolinux.org/mailman/listinfo/members > From knightperson at zuzax.com Thu Jul 10 21:34:16 2008 From: knightperson at zuzax.com (Mike Williams) Date: Thu Jul 10 21:30:05 2008 Subject: [KLUG Members] Re: problem with updates on Ubuntu 7.1 In-Reply-To: <1616.71.59.196.227.1215663486.squirrel@webmail.ivelop.net> References: <649506.46436.qm@web36501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1616.71.59.196.227.1215663486.squirrel@webmail.ivelop.net> Message-ID: <4876B898.6060001@zuzax.com> Robert G. Brown wrote: > I have seen what Brock originally described on several occasions, and it > is a byproduct of the sorts of update tools that have come into common > use. > > Most of the tools (rpm, YaST, etc.) pack up the software needed for the > update, scripts to actually do the install, and a statemnt of some rules, > mostly about what is needed on the system prior to being able to install > the package in question. > > Let's say that you don't do an update for a while. In the meantime, the > developers have been real busy, and cumulatively, they didn't write only 1 > new version of the package in question, but 2. Also, the very newest > version requires 2 libraries, and the upgrade of a third. > > Now the update process starts. A lot of these "repositories" determine the > number of updates needed when your system queries the repository database, > in essence saying (given what I have on the system here), what updates are > available? The repository essentially determines how many updates are > needed to update the SOFTWARE YOU HAVE RIGHT NOW (not shouting, this is an > important point to remember). > > So you download and install all of those updates. afterall of that dust > settles, someone (you, the update manager process) eventually gets around > to doing another database query. Because you have changed the software on > your system, you may now be eligible for MORE updates than before! How > can this be? > > When this all started, let's say you had a package called "A", and it's > version 2.3.4. The repository query says there is an upgrade available, > "A" version 2.3.6. So your update got and installed "A" 2.3.6. the next > query shows that "A" version 2.4.0 is available (but it required 2.3.6 to > be installed, 2.3.4 was not "good enough"). Also, 2.4.0 requires the > "Flivver"and the "Blabber" libraries (to process "Flivver" Image formats > and "Blabber" audio files, of course), so "A" can show this stuff to the > user. Thus your inital update showed 1 update available ("A" 2.3.4 to "A" > 2.3.6) and the second update shows THREE updates ("A" 2.3.6 -> 2.4.0, and > libflivver AND libblabber). This can go on for several levels if you wait > long enough to do updates, but persisting with the process ought to catch > you up. > Gentoo's Portage system, which I think was adapted from BSD, gets around that problem. It downloads source packages and compiles them, compiling in options based on "use flags" that you set in a config file. An update takes longer since it has to compile everything, but the final code is smaller and more efficient than generic binaries. There are a couple ways of launching the update process. A regular "update world", which behaves just like you described above, and an "update world deep" that gets the newest version of everything it can find plus any oher packages required by the updated versions. For reasons I don't fully understand, you have to run a "revdep-rebuild" to handle reverse dependencies (whatever those are) after you do a deep update. I think that process handles rebuilding package A if "Flivver" or "Blabber" were updated. From bob at ivelop.net Thu Jul 10 22:56:43 2008 From: bob at ivelop.net (Robert G. Brown) Date: Thu Jul 10 22:53:01 2008 Subject: [KLUG Members] Re: problem with updates on Ubuntu 7.1 In-Reply-To: <4876B898.6060001@zuzax.com> References: <649506.46436.qm@web36501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1616.71.59.196.227.1215663486.squirrel@webmail.ivelop.net> <4876B898.6060001@zuzax.com> Message-ID: <1486.67.171.186.122.1215745003.squirrel@webmail.ivelop.net> > Robert G. Brown wrote: >> I have seen what Brock originally described on several occasions, and it >> is a byproduct of the sorts of update tools that have come into common >> use. >> >> Most of the tools (rpm, YaST, etc.) pack up the software needed for the >> update, scripts to actually do the install, ... >> Let's say that you don't do an update for a while. In the meantime, the >> developers have been real busy, and cumulatively, they didn't write only >> 1 new version of the package in question, but 2. >>...The repository essentially determines how many updates are >> needed to update the SOFTWARE YOU HAVE RIGHT NOW (not shouting, this is >> an important point to remember). >> >> So you download and install all of those updates.... Because you have >> changed the software on your system, you may now be eligible for MORE >> updates than before! >> When this all started, let's say you had a package called "A", and it's >> version 2.3.4. The repository query says there is an upgrade available, >> "A" version 2.3.6. So your update got and installed "A" 2.3.6. the next >> query shows that "A" version 2.4.0 is available (but it required 2.3.6 >> to be installed, 2.3.4 was not "good enough"). Also, 2.4.0 requires the >> "Flivver"and the "Blabber" libraries...your inital update showed 1 update >> available ("A" 2.3.4 to "A" 2.3.6) and the second update shows THREE >> updates ("A" 2.3.6 -> 2.4.0, libflivver AND libblabber). ... Mike Williams Added: > Gentoo's Portage system, which I think was adapted from BSD, gets around > that problem. It downloads source packages and compiles them, compiling > in options based on "use flags" that you set in a config file. An > update takes longer since it has to compile everything, but the final > code is smaller and more efficient than generic binaries. There are a > couple ways of launching the update process. A regular "update world", > which behaves just like you described above, and an "update world deep" > that gets the newest version of everything it can find plus any oher > packages required by the updated versions. For reasons I don't fully > understand, you have to run a "revdep-rebuild" to handle reverse > dependencies (whatever those are) after you do a deep update. I think > that process handles rebuilding package A if "Flivver" or "Blabber" were > updated. Yes, there are a number of software management and distribution systems - and repositories - that are responding to the demand to more easily update everything to the latest and (probably) greatest, and that includes traversing all the relationships composed from all the prerequisites that exist between and among various packaged items. I was illustrating the overall condition that Brock seemd to have a rough time understanding... how the system can say one needs X updates which are then done, and then one finds you have X+ updates! This sort of thing is counterintuitive to some people.... Regards, ---> RGB <--- From brocki1 at sbcglobal.net Sat Jul 12 17:21:32 2008 From: brocki1 at sbcglobal.net (Brock Inglehart) Date: Sat Jul 12 17:01:04 2008 Subject: [KLUG Members] Re: problem with updates on Ubuntu 7.1 In-Reply-To: <1486.67.171.186.122.1215745003.squirrel@webmail.ivelop.net> References: <649506.46436.qm@web36501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1616.71.59.196.227.1215663486.squirrel@webmail.ivelop.net> <4876B898.6060001@zuzax.com> <1486.67.171.186.122.1215745003.squirrel@webmail.ivelop.net> Message-ID: <1215897692.15225.7.camel@linux-fhvo.site> > > I was illustrating the overall condition that Brock seemd to have a rough > time understanding... how the system can say one needs X updates which are > then done, and then one finds you have X+ updates! This sort of thing is > counterintuitive to some people.... Thanks Bob, now I do understand. I guess I just didn't take that probability in to consideration. I'll just keep updating till I reach "0" Brock From mlueck at lueckdatasystems.com Sat Jul 12 18:39:20 2008 From: mlueck at lueckdatasystems.com (Michael Lueck) Date: Sat Jul 12 18:35:53 2008 Subject: [KLUG Members] Re: problem with updates on Ubuntu 7.1 In-Reply-To: <1215897692.15225.7.camel@linux-fhvo.site> References: <649506.46436.qm@web36501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1616.71.59.196.227.1215663486.squirrel@webmail.ivelop.net> <4876B898.6060001@zuzax.com> <1486.67.171.186.122.1215745003.squirrel@webmail.ivelop.net> <1215897692.15225.7.camel@linux-fhvo.site> Message-ID: <48793298.607@lueckdatasystems.com> Brock Inglehart wrote: > I'll just keep updating till I reach "0" I have never seen Ubuntu not update completely in one connect when going into the Synaptic Package Manager, refreshing, marking all updates, and applying. When the orange icon appears that an update is available, I go to the Synaptic Package Manager instead of clicking the orange notification icon. -- Michael Lueck Lueck Data Systems http://www.lueckdatasystems.com/ From bob at whizdomsoft.com Sat Jul 12 21:21:57 2008 From: bob at whizdomsoft.com (Robert G. Brown) Date: Sat Jul 12 21:18:16 2008 Subject: [KLUG Members] Re: problem with updates on Ubuntu 7.1 In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sat, 12 Jul 2008 18:39:20 -0400." <48793298.607@lueckdatasystems.com> Message-ID: <200807130121.m6D1Lvvr025248@groucho-dva.whizdomsoft.com> On Sat, 12 Jul 2008 18:39:20 -0400, Michael Lueck wrote: >Brock Inglehart wrote: >> I'll just keep updating till I reach "0" > >I have never seen Ubuntu not update completely in one connect when going into the Synaptic Package Manager, re freshing, marking all updates, and applying. > >When the orange icon appears that an update is available, I go to the Synaptic Package Manager instead of clic king the orange notification icon. I'll bet Brock didn't do that, because he did not know that Synaptic traverses the whole network of relationships among updates, and the default updater does not. There's a reason for this: some people install one set of updates, do some testing then install the next set. This is a good practice (who has the time? people who do this sort of thing for a living), but most people probably would jump all over the Synaptic option if they knew about it. Regards, ---> RGB <--- From wlindemann at gmail.com Mon Jul 14 07:59:37 2008 From: wlindemann at gmail.com (William Lindemann) Date: Mon Jul 14 07:55:51 2008 Subject: [KLUG Members] KLUG Weekly Meeting Tomorrow, Tuesday, July 15, 2008 at 7pm Message-ID: *2008-07-15 - Command Line Basics An introduction to the the powerful terminal behind your operating system. Learn how to navigate your system, copy, delete, edit, compress/uncompress, compile, and otherwise manage and mangle files. String commands together with scripts, piping, and redirection. Get answers to life's existential questions: Is less really more? when is it okay to kill? and who am i? * Our meeting site is the Kalamazoo Chamber Of Commerce Address: Kalamazoo Chamber Of Commerce. 346 West Michigan Avenue Kalamazoo, MI. 49007 We meet weekly, each Tuesday at 7pm. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.kalamazoolinux.org/pipermail/members/attachments/20080714/338a0dbe/attachment.html From casey at grlug.org Mon Jul 14 11:46:50 2008 From: casey at grlug.org (Casey DuBois) Date: Mon Jul 14 11:43:04 2008 Subject: [KLUG Members] BarCamp Grand Rapids, August 15-16 at Calvin College Message-ID: CUTTING EDGE TECH CONFERENCE COMES TO GRAND RAPIDS BarCamp brings together West Michigan's technology leaders BarCamp Grand Rapids, inspired by the Silicon Valley event that rocked the emerging technology world with its audacity and success, will take place on August 15-16 at Calvin College. The original Palo Alto BarCamp was born out of frustration with the stifling atmosphere of most conferences. In a bold move, the founders decided to hold an "unconference" and let the attendees decide the schedule and topics to be presented. The organizers provided only a venue, a blank schedule board, and some overhead projectors: attendees were responsible for creating all the content, giving all the presentations, and having all the fun. The experiment was a resounding success, and BarCamps in Toronto, Amsterdam, and New York City soon followed. BarCamp Grand Rapids continues this proud tradition, for the third year running. Calvin College is generously donating classroom space, including a space for a "campout" Friday night. Gordon Food Service, Subway, and Biggby Coffee will be providing food for the event, and SageTech will be hosting a get-together after the Friday night sessions. Elevator Up has also pitched in to help keep to conference free for all attendees. For the latest information and registration, see http://barcampgr.org/ From wlindemann at gmail.com Tue Jul 15 08:45:17 2008 From: wlindemann at gmail.com (William Lindemann) Date: Tue Jul 15 08:41:30 2008 Subject: [KLUG Members] KLUG Weekly Meeting Today, Tuesday, July 15, 2008 at 7pm Message-ID: *2008-07-15 - Command Line Basics by Seth Kramer An introduction to the the powerful terminal behind your operating system. Learn how to navigate your system, copy, delete, edit, compress/uncompress, compile, and otherwise manage and mangle files. String commands together with scripts, piping, and redirection. Get answers to life's existential questions: Is less really more? when is it okay to kill? and who am i? * Our meeting site is the Kalamazoo Chamber Of Commerce Address: Kalamazoo Chamber Of Commerce. 346 West Michigan Avenue Kalamazoo, MI. 49007 We meet weekly, each Tuesday at 7pm. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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We also are happy to help anyone install Linux at a meeting. We have successfully installed Linux a number of times in the past. Just let us know in advance by sending email to our installmaster , so we can plan for it, and bring your PC to the meeting. We have also helped people set up Linux services at meetings. At one meeting we installed networking on a PC someone brought in. We configured the network card, installed NFS, FTP, and Apache Web server. We used the all these networking functions on the PC, right at the meeting, by connecting it to our Laptop with a 10BaseT crossover network cable. Our meeting site is the Kalamazoo Chamber Of Commerce Address: Kalamazoo Chamber Of Commerce. 346 West Michigan Avenue Kalamazoo, MI. 49007 We meet weekly, each Tuesday at 7pm. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.kalamazoolinux.org/pipermail/members/attachments/20080721/d6afbd8c/attachment.html From mark.klug at ccagent.com Mon Jul 21 21:53:57 2008 From: mark.klug at ccagent.com (Mark Jones) Date: Mon Jul 21 21:50:13 2008 Subject: [KLUG Members] KLUG General Assistance Meeting Tomorrow, July 22, 2008 at 7pm Message-ID: <720926.97311.qm@web704.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I thought Jason (the Grand Rapids school admin, hope I got the name right) was going to do a presentation on a new firewall that he is using. I didn't see him at last week's meeting, so I can't confirm. I will be doing the 29th on Ubuntu Install from Network. (Installing Ubuntu using only a network boot and retrieving all files from the Internet.) Mark ----- Original Message ---- From: William Lindemann To: KLUG Members Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 8:49:07 AM Subject: [KLUG Members] KLUG General Assistance Meeting Tomorrow, July 22, 2008 at 7pm KLUG General Assistance Meeting Tomorrow, July 22, 2008 at 7pm We usually have a laptop running Linux at each meeting to demonstrate Linux and help answer any Linux related questions. We also are happy to help anyone install Linux at a meeting. We have successfully installed Linux a number of times in the past. Just let us know in advance by sending email to our installmaster, so we can plan for it, and bring your PC to the meeting. We have also helped people set up Linux services at meetings. At one meeting we installed networking on a PC someone brought in. We configured the network card, installed NFS, FTP, and Apache Web server. We used the all these networking functions on the PC, right at the meeting, by connecting it to our Laptop with a 10BaseT crossover network cable. Our meeting site is the Kalamazoo Chamber Of Commerce Address: Kalamazoo Chamber Of Commerce. 346 West Michigan Avenue Kalamazoo, MI. 49007 We meet weekly, each Tuesday at 7pm. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.kalamazoolinux.org/pipermail/members/attachments/20080721/23bbe9cb/attachment.html From wlindemann at gmail.com Tue Jul 22 08:25:27 2008 From: wlindemann at gmail.com (William Lindemann) Date: Tue Jul 22 08:21:32 2008 Subject: [KLUG Members] KLUG General Assistance Meeting Today, July 22, 2008 at 7pm Message-ID: KLUG General Assistance Meeting Today, July 22, 2008 at 7pm We usually have a laptop running Linux at each meeting to demonstrate Linux and help answer any Linux related questions. We also are happy to help anyone install Linux at a meeting. We have successfully installed Linux a number of times in the past. Just let us know in advance by sending email to our installmaster , so we can plan for it, and bring your PC to the meeting. We have also helped people set up Linux services at meetings. At one meeting we installed networking on a PC someone brought in. We configured the network card, installed NFS, FTP, and Apache Web server. We used the all these networking functions on the PC, right at the meeting, by connecting it to our Laptop with a 10BaseT crossover network cable. Our meeting site is the Kalamazoo Chamber Of Commerce Address: Kalamazoo Chamber Of Commerce. 346 West Michigan Avenue Kalamazoo, MI. 49007 We meet weekly, each Tuesday at 7pm. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.kalamazoolinux.org/pipermail/members/attachments/20080722/a5a1546b/attachment.html From mlueck at lueckdatasystems.com Wed Jul 23 22:41:59 2008 From: mlueck at lueckdatasystems.com (Michael Lueck) Date: Wed Jul 23 22:38:06 2008 Subject: [KLUG Members] Successful migration from Ubuntu 7.04 to 8.04 Message-ID: <4887EBF7.1020707@lueckdatasystems.com> Greetings KLUG'ers- Today I successfully reloaded my main workstation to Ubuntu 8.04, from 7.04. Some interesting items I encountered: I learned to purge compiz* packages, and let the former Window Manager take over instead of the "new fangled one" that has some issues. Then I utilized Envy to install the nVidia binary device drivers for the PNY nVidia board that is in my system. Envy is back in the official 8.04 repository, whereas with 7.04 it was an external download. 8.04 has plugins that work only with Firefox 3.x, thus I just finished up migrating my FF2 profile to FF3. I have learned what files are auto generated, and should be deleted and auto recreated on a new FF build. Minor hassle getting updated extensions that are compatible with FF3. As usual, I utilized UbuntuZilla to install the official builds of both Firefox and Thunderbird directly from Mozilla. The thing that kept me from migrating sooner was Parallels. These days, Parallels is in the Ubuntu Vendors Repository, but that version has issues. The command to compile certain things in Parallels for the exact kernel on the machine has been neutered in that version and does not compile. Currently it is built for the -18 kernel, whereas -19 has been current for more than a month. I finally got sick of waiting and downloaded the test build of Parallels for Ubuntu 8.04 directly from Parallels last evening, had success, thus decided for that route today. I utilized Medibuntu to get various update packages. Also the Vendors Repositry to fetch down other things. Things like Adobe Acrobat, Google Earth, and Skype. The Ubuntu water is great! :-) Please feel free to contact us either on / off list if we might be of assistance with Ubuntu. -- Michael Lueck Lueck Data Systems http://www.lueckdatasystems.com/ From wlindemann at gmail.com Mon Jul 28 09:01:22 2008 From: wlindemann at gmail.com (William Lindemann) Date: Mon Jul 28 08:57:20 2008 Subject: [KLUG Members] KLUG Meeting Tomorrow, Tuesday July 29, 2008 at 7pm Message-ID: * Ubuntu Install from Network * Installing Ubuntu using only a network boot and retrieving all files from the internet. By Mark Jones -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.kalamazoolinux.org/pipermail/members/attachments/20080728/445dd02e/attachment.html From caleb at calebd.net Mon Jul 28 21:53:19 2008 From: caleb at calebd.net (Caleb Delnay) Date: Mon Jul 28 21:49:37 2008 Subject: [KLUG Members] KLUG Website Project Message-ID: <488E780F.4050703@calebd.net> Hi everyone, As some of you may know, I was discussing with Seth and Mark on volunteering to take over the redesign / redevelopment of the KLUG website. I apologize for missing the previous week's meeting, but I'll make up for it by providing a link to a pseudo technical breakdown of the current site and how it can be adapted to Drupal: http://personal.calebd.net/klug/klug_website.odt (Open Office.org 2.4 Document, uses Bitstream Vera Sans font) If anyone has time to glance through the document before tomorrow's meeting, please feel free to do so and write back. I am interested in discussing the project in more detail tomorrow if there is time. Thanks, Caleb From wlindemann at gmail.com Tue Jul 29 08:22:37 2008 From: wlindemann at gmail.com (William Lindemann) Date: Tue Jul 29 08:18:34 2008 Subject: [KLUG Members] KLUG Meeting Today, Tuesday July 29, 2008 at 7pm Message-ID: * Ubuntu Install from Network * Installing Ubuntu using only a network boot and retrieving all files from the internet. By Mark Jones We meet weekly, each Tuesday at 7 PM. Our meeting site is The Kalamazoo Chamber of Commerce in downtown Kalamazoo. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.kalamazoolinux.org/pipermail/members/attachments/20080729/58a04950/attachment.html